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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Dec 22, 2007 14:52:15 GMT -5
We are going to be ok. But today, it showed us that not everyone who we thought was a player really indeed is, as of yet. I rarely post, but there are some things that need to be said.
1) Vernon Macklin. Literally, he should not be on the floor. until he proves, like Jeremiah did that he isn't a liability, he should never be on the floor. The hoya offense commands a center who is powerful, assertive, smart, and POLISHED. Vernon fails each of those criteria. He looks lost out there. Yes, he was a McD AA because can you imagine anyone in your HS guarding him? this is big time college basketball now. It is not about showtime and dunking every play. We actually have to make shots and make free throws. Imagine this was the final 4 as we almost had the game iced, and Vernon gets fouled, and misses both. What do we do? are we going to get knocked out early because we cant hit a foul shot?
2- Roy. I am assuming one of the reasons Roy came back was to improve his draft stock---and I don't care if someone has 4 guys on him. If you are a true superstar, you make it happen. I don't mean you need to score 20. How about dominating the boards? Our true superstar did not show up today. If he had, you can bet this would have been a different game.
3) The future is bright. The attitude of Jwall, jesse and Dujuan has obviously carried over to a guy like Chris Wright, who is fearless. He will be an amazing, amazing player. He is fierce and he is a tough competitor as we saw today. It is this attitude and killer instinct I wish our whole team had.
We need to get better. Better attitude and more assertive. We lack the confidence of a champion.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Dec 22, 2007 15:07:50 GMT -5
The commentary on Macklin is ridiculous. The guy is the best defensive big on the team--he is great hedging--and can get rebounds out of his area--he had 4 pts on activity alone--and his running hook was beautiful. He's an AWFUL FT shooter--no debating that--but you can't let his weakest area hinder your outlook of his game--Macklin is a fine passer--and offense had some of their best possessions with him in game in First Half. He can get out and run the floor/get some cheap hoops too-and to write him off because he struggled at the line or isn't putting up a stat line that you think a McDonald's All American should is wrong.
Today's a game--I'd have experimented with he/Roy in lineup together--so Macklin can do what Dorsey does for Memphis--when they double Roy--just have him shoot it--if he misses--Vernon can crash glass-which is Dorsey's game.
Agree with you on Roy having to find something to do in a positive manner--when his offense isn't coming and he did that in First Half-in the 2nd he--like the team were AWFUL on defensive end and weren't tough enough. One area that I think III should let Roy contribute more--taking FT line jumpshots--he can catch ball at top of key and has a nice touch--if he's going to get doubled/tripled--why not let him move to other areas of floor to shoot? It's not something you want 10 FGA's from him--but he can make that shot--and get some shots off/force defense to come out--un-clog the lane for the cutters.
I love Wright/Freeman/Summers trio and the future of all them are bright-they are going to be fabulous in future--but in present--Freeman has to be on court with Dajuan--and Chris needs to be used depending on type of game it is--if Wallace/Rivers struggle-let Chris handle ball more--if it's Sapp--then move Chris in at 2G--and a backcourt of Chris and Rivers is great defensively-but you have to make certain the frontcourt is Summers/Ewing/Freeman/Roy--and not a small lineup without Roy or with the 3 guards against a team like Memphis/Pitt/UConn
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 22, 2007 15:17:23 GMT -5
Macklin is an OK (but very far from great) offensive rebounder, but he is an absolutely terrible defensive rebounder - 6th on the team in defensive rebounding rate this year and 9th last year. I thought he might be picking up his play earlier in the year, but he just doesn't make an impact.
He's an OK passer and can get that hook sometimes, but for the most part I don't see what he contributes that a random fairly athletic 6'9" guy wouldn't - and there are tons of them throughout college basketball. He gets garbage points, doesn't rebound very well, doesn't block shots, and is an OK at best on the ball defender.
His speed is probably his best asset but we don't really use it. I hate to rag on a guy but Vern just isn't a very effective player right now, which is very disappointing for a McD AA who was supposedly the most improved player on the team.
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Post by RDF on Dec 22, 2007 15:46:58 GMT -5
I think Macklin gets most of the rebounds he can--often he's helping stop penetration when other guys get beat off dribble and comes over to help but he does many things well on defense. The shot blocking will come next year--Hoyas will be bigger team/more athletic and have more presence on defense--Roy is a marginal defensive player off the ball--he doesn't give much help--because he can't jump a lick and once he commits to moving towards someone--he can't recover. Macklin is not a guy who is a great post defender.
It's exactly why I think you should see some playing time with Vernon and Roy on court at same time--not a lot--but some run with both of them will help interior defense and on the glass--and allow Vernon to be the chaser/hedger and Roy to anchor the middle.
If Vernon played weakside of where Roy had ball/shot--I'd say he'd get 4/6 more points--off tips/dunks alone. He's a very good passer--sees court well and again I think his statistical impact will grow as season progresses and I think he'll be a solid contributor in the future--when team moves towards a faster pace for entire game and not in spurts.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2007 15:53:27 GMT -5
--often he's helping stop penetration when other guys get beat off dribble That's fine. The problem with our rebounding was more when we helped when our guys didn't get beat of the dribble. I'd rather let Rose attempt a layup over Sapp than let Dorsey have the boards to himself. I'm with you, RDF, I'm not really sure how Mack is becoming the scapegoat here. Nearly everyone played awful, made bad decisions and got outplayed.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 22, 2007 15:56:13 GMT -5
Oh, to be sure, I don't think Macklin was a particularly big problem this game - as I said in another thread, nobody but Freeman played well. I was just responding to his play in general.
He does need to play better though. Ewing's rebounding has disappeared since he left Indiana (I thought he was going to make it a focus this year?), so Macklin is our only other option to compete on the boards - and he doesn't rebound very well either. Summers has improved but that isn't enough.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Dec 22, 2007 16:25:20 GMT -5
Today's a game--I'd have experimented with he/Roy in lineup together--so Macklin can do what Dorsey does for Memphis--when they double Roy--just have him shoot it--if he misses--Vernon can crash glass-which is Dorsey's game. thats a great idea. i hope iii tries that to see how it works. vernon is so athletic he should be good at cleaning up the glass. hibbert can get the touches on the offensive end. hibbert macklin summers freeman/wallace wright/sapp substitute monroe for hibbert and you probably have next years starting line-up.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 22, 2007 17:26:22 GMT -5
needed rebbies foul shots and roy to be freaking mean thats as in MEAN GO HOYAS LET GET IT ROLLING ITS FEBRUARY LET HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS AND THEN MOVE ON YUP ;D ;D
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