PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Dec 22, 2007 13:59:02 GMT -5
if we had green today:
1. we would have had an athletic physical prescence who could score and to counter memphis' frontcourt, especially when roy is resting 2. he would have provided the poise that would have kept us from trying to run with memphis when the game was slipping away in the 2nd half 3. he would have kept them from dominanting the defensive glass 4. as a team we would be better at the stripe. i dont know why this would be except i think jeff would have demanded it and so it would have been so)
we got dissected and picked apart. now i know how unc felt after the east regionals.
this team has a way to go and the loss of green is being felt in intangible ways. on paper we have the talent and depth, but we need a leader.
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superan
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Post by superan on Dec 22, 2007 14:10:42 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing during the game as well.
Last year when we were down a bunch of times, we always knew the leader on our team was Jeff Green and we could count on him in the clutch (not just with scoring, but making the right pass, not rushing, getting rebounds, etc.). And when he didn't do that (like vs.Ohio St.), the team fell into some trouble.
Roy needs to be that leader this year.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Dec 22, 2007 14:11:32 GMT -5
On the positive side, we won't be playing a team as good as Memphis until the NCAA tournament. They have plenty of time until then to work on the deficiencies.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 22, 2007 14:12:00 GMT -5
On the positive side, we won't be playing a team as good as Memphis until the NCAA tournament. They have plenty of time until then to work on the deficiencies. I'm not entirely sure that is a positive.
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Post by essex on Dec 22, 2007 14:12:42 GMT -5
Ok, so now we know how good we are.
Hibbert a zero. Macklin a total liability.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 22, 2007 14:13:49 GMT -5
We play without poise in the second half when Wallace and Hibbert both went to the bench. They young guys learned a lesson today, hopefully we will improve. We got destroyed on offensive rebounds, guys need to box out. Other that that we played alright.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Dec 22, 2007 14:16:10 GMT -5
Ok, so now we know how good we are. Hibbert a zero. Macklin a total liability. No, we actually don't know how good or bad we are. We do know that we have lots of work to do. I think we have the players and I am confident JTIII will provide the solutions by March.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Dec 22, 2007 14:43:04 GMT -5
Macklin was at least active--he can't shoot FT's--we know that--but he was much more competitive/active and had as much of an impact. That's on Roy--he's got to do something--even if it's just rebounding--or just keeping balls alive like he did in First Half.
This team is deeper--but losing Jeff still has them just a bit short in the end in my opinion. They've got time to adjust--but the talent Hoyas added this year--6'1 and 6'4 doesn't offset a 6'10 kid who can play inside/out and has a presence the Hoyas could go to minute that Roy was out of game due to foul trouble, rest, etc.....and it's going to be more important then ever for III to find a rotation--and STAY with it. Personally I think Freeman and Summers have to play more together. I like when Wright has ball--he's a threat to drive/shoot/pass and if he's in game--prefer it to be with Sapp or Jon--don't like the Rivers/Wright backcourt as much--unless you have Freeman/Summers to be guys Wright can draw/kick.
Pitt is going to give Hoyas fits--Uconn with their size will--Adrien could have double digit rebounds by Halftime against Hoyas when they substitute and go smaller. Hoyas actually match up better with Marquette, Nova, and teams who are perimeter oriented due to Hoyas being same--but having better perimeter defense then last year-deeper and quicker.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 22, 2007 14:51:36 GMT -5
Ok, so now we know how good we are. Hibbert a zero. Macklin a total liability. i love that this Editedbag comes out of the woodwork after our first loss. you've got a lotta balls toolshed
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 22, 2007 16:48:26 GMT -5
We don't have Green on our team anymore. It's useless to wonder what it would be like with Green - he's gone, let's move on.
However, I think it's definitely valid to say that we need someone to take over Jeff's leadership role. I look to our seniors, specifically Roy and JWall, and I think they both need to step it up a little. This is Roy's third straight quiet game. He can't get pushed around in games like this; he's needs to take charge. He's a great passer, but he needs to know when to bang down low and dunk it too. He needs to get angry and take charge like he did in some games last year. He could use some more touches too.
JWall hasn't played poorly, but he's been somewhat quiet. His shooting numbers are a bit down too. I know he's not the greatest creator, but I think he needs to step his game up too - shooting, passing, making things happen - to be the senior leader that I think we all believe he can be.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Dec 22, 2007 17:49:32 GMT -5
What we need is someone to fill Jeff's spot in the offense, not his leadership role. Having Roy at the top of the key does nothing. Jeff could be in the same spot and teams would need to react as soon as he dribbled once. Then he could make a move or pass for a backdoor or cutter. Roy at the top of the key isn't. Decoy. Teams don't need to play him up there as he's no threat. He needs to hold the pass there a second longer or even consider taking a dribble and stepping in to the foul line and forcing the defense to react. Maclin actually gave us a glimpse of this in the first half. However, I think Summers needs to be this cog in the offense.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Dec 22, 2007 18:08:06 GMT -5
What we need is someone to fill Jeff's spot in the offense, not his leadership role. Having Roy at the top of the key does nothing. Jeff could be in the same spot and teams would need to react as soon as he dribbled once. Then he could make a move or pass for a backdoor or cutter. Roy at the top of the key isn't. Decoy. Teams don't need to play him up there as he's no threat. He needs to hold the pass there a second longer or even consider taking a dribble and stepping in to the foul line and forcing the defense to react. Maclin actually gave us a glimpse of this in the first half. However, I think Summers needs to be this cog in the offense. The idea is for Roy to start up there and dip down to post/cut to basket or spot up and have short jumper like Dozier was getting as someone else posts up--it would work-but it cannot if you dont try it. If you just do what we've seen--Roy will get doubled/never get shots off and likely turn it over a lot. It depends on who you are playing/how you are being defended--but it's silly to just keep having a guy get ball/doubled and never move him on the court or adjust.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 22, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -5
I think we would be much better with Patrick Ewing Sr and AI too. Losing them really hurt
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Dec 22, 2007 18:57:56 GMT -5
We would be better with Jeff but that is no garuntee that we would have won this game, nor that we will "walk" to the final four like some people overreacted when he went with the draft. Hopefully this game will make Roy hungry like the Nova game did last year
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 22, 2007 19:02:25 GMT -5
What we're missing is Nikita. We win this game easy with Nikita.
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azarin
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Post by azarin on Dec 22, 2007 19:04:34 GMT -5
We need more cowbell.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 22, 2007 19:08:18 GMT -5
Ok, so now we know how good we are. Hibbert a zero. Macklin a total liability. i love that this Editedbag comes out of the woodwork after our first loss. you've got a lotta balls toolshed lol..... great point CA....
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