Eurostar
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Freeman
Nov 12, 2007 20:02:47 GMT -5
Post by Eurostar on Nov 12, 2007 20:02:47 GMT -5
it took pat a bit to work his way into the flow of the offense last year and i suspect it will take him some time this year as well. maybe i had too high expectations of him in thinking that he would be our #3 offensive threat this year behind wallace and hibbert. if saturday tells us anything, its that Sapp really wants to be that guy and Summers won't be far behind. i'm totally fine with Ewing in his same role as last year... staying quiet offensively for many of the games, getting random monster dunks, firing up the team, and stepping up with offensive production when some of our top guys are playing poorly or in foul trouble.
all in all we cant take much from our first game though. no one really got after it besides roy and sapp. everyone else just kinda threw the ball around the perimeter and settled for 3pt shots. the freshmen were tentative, and vern and pat just kinda floated around the baseline on offense. things will start coming together soon... i just hope that we dont lose one that we will regret later before they do.
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MCIGuy
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Freeman
Nov 12, 2007 20:19:01 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Nov 12, 2007 20:19:01 GMT -5
Can we wait a few games before jumping to conclusions and making suggestions about taking a player out of the starting lineup?
Freeman has the potential to replace a couple of guys in the starting lineup and the possibility of that happening is a legitimate conversation point. But he has to prove himself first and to overreact to one bad game by one of our starters is unnecessary.
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Freeman
Nov 12, 2007 20:47:45 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Nov 12, 2007 20:47:45 GMT -5
Vernon played a little bit with Roy and played on the wing in the zone. His reaction to the ball reversals setting up a william and Mary corner J was excellent and produced two or three bad misses. It reminded me of how Patrick sometimes came out at a jump shoter. Yeah I actually wasn't thinking of when Vern was playing w/ Roy on the floor. He did look a good deal more comfortable on the wing than in the paint.
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Freeman
Nov 12, 2007 21:13:04 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Nov 12, 2007 21:13:04 GMT -5
AGREE WITH ALOT OF THIS BUT REMEMBER FIRST FREAKING GAME FOLKS GIVE COACH A CHANCE BUT DO WONDER ABOUT TYLER SOME and by the way my tight end friend mr. freeman glad he hit that two pointer after a couple rimmed out from three he wil be amazing folks amazing but lets give coach a chance think hes proved he knows what hes doing go hoyas beat michigan WILL BE A VERY VERY VERY TOUGH GAME win by at least one
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paranoia2
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Freeman
Nov 13, 2007 3:13:19 GMT -5
Post by paranoia2 on Nov 13, 2007 3:13:19 GMT -5
Vern didn't seem out of place vs. UNC in the regional finals imo. Give the man some time. We are not JT jr's Hoyas or any other coaches team. We are JT 3's Hoyas. The name on the front of our jersey is much more important than the back. We don't win the UNC game without Macklin so relax.
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AvantGuardHoya
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"It was when I found out I could make mistakes that I knew I was on to something."
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Freeman
Nov 13, 2007 6:26:49 GMT -5
Post by AvantGuardHoya on Nov 13, 2007 6:26:49 GMT -5
What seems to get short shrift in too many discussions of a player’s value is their impact on the game and team in ways that casual fans miss: defense, ball handling, rebounding, clutch play, etc. Primarily focusing on a player’s scoring ability does that to you. It seems to me that our system, which requires sharing the ball, spreads the opportunities around. You might not contribute 15 points, but your six or so help, while your defense, passing and smart play make the real difference between a win and a loss.
Kisielius, William & Mary’s game high scorer, had 16 points, all in the first half. When we didn't play zone, who defended against him in the vesper half?
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hoyainspirit
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Freeman
Nov 13, 2007 10:27:38 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 13, 2007 10:27:38 GMT -5
Vernon played a little bit with Roy and played on the wing in the zone. His reaction to the ball reversals setting up a william and Mary corner J was excellent and produced two or three bad misses. It reminded me of how Patrick sometimes came out at a jump shoter. I vividly remember Patrick playing on the wing in the zone as well. Generally, opponents could forget corner jumpers on Patrick's side. Wasn't going to happen, with that huge wingspan. If we are getting that from Vern, I'll definitely take it. As well, I find it quite humorous that after ONE GAME, discussion ensues regarding starting/playing time for Ewing and Vern. But then again, that's one reason I love message boards...
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Freeman
Nov 13, 2007 11:47:20 GMT -5
Post by HoyaAtHeart on Nov 13, 2007 11:47:20 GMT -5
NYC - I assume you are referring to Marc Karcher, a power shooting guard who scored a lot for Temple. . try david hawkins
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RDF
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Freeman
Nov 13, 2007 13:19:35 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Nov 13, 2007 13:19:35 GMT -5
Vern is going to be fine--and the improvement is going to show over course of a season. I think you'll see Hoyas use a different style of play next year--and at times this year--which we'll have to wait and see--once that happens--his strength of running the floor will be more evident.
I'd also add--that if you are going to get a big man in the Hoya system--passing skills are so important and fact Vernon is great at finding open man and it comes natural is a huge plus to his development--he's also above average to excellent on closing out on shooters and covers a lot of ground. I'm more then happy with his development and as I said when he committed--ignore the talk of 1 and done, etc... he'll be at LEAST a 3 year player--and now you are seeing why--he'll also be 10 times the prospect as a SR he was entering GU--and it'll show soon enough.
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