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Post by Toby2 on Nov 8, 2017 15:15:25 GMT -5
Anyone know if Georgetown has kids sign their LOI during this weeks signing period? If so, which sports?
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Post by Toby2 on Oct 4, 2017 22:21:33 GMT -5
Seton Hall tonight. They took care of Providence and have a win over a low end Big 10 program (Rutgers). They also barely beat Buffalo who we barely lost to. If we are moving up the food chain this is the kind of relatively even match we need to win. Lost in 4. Disappointing, no doubt.
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Post by Toby2 on Oct 2, 2017 19:31:25 GMT -5
One step forward with Butler win, one step back with the Xavier loss. Frustrating to see potential on Friday and lack of follow up on Saturday. I am beginning to think it is my fault. Left them alone on Friday (and they won) and then tried to follow along Saturday (and they lost). Obviously didn't see Saturday so don't know what the issue was but they need to win the games they should win. Another error filled match by the hoyas. It continues to be errors out of the OH position with plenty of others chipping in with their own errors behind the service line. The box score says it all.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 29, 2017 20:14:23 GMT -5
Hoyas take down Butler in 5 sets tonight. Butler was picked by the Big East coaches to finish 2nd in conference. Butler has an RPI of 63, third in the Big East.
Hoyas showed some grit coming back from a 10-6 deficit in the fifth set to win 15-13.
Great night tonight in McDonough if you were in attendance.
Hoyas still struggle with their outside hitters, still way too many errors. If they can improve, the team has a chance to finish top four in conference and play in the Big East tournament.
Big win for the Hoyas tonight!
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 25, 2017 13:33:59 GMT -5
Again, the limiting factor is 9 scholarships. The junior class had 6 recruits, I'm not sure how many are on schoarship but assuming they all were then that leaves 3 for the rest of the team. There is no way you can win at the conference, let alone the national level with 9 scholarships. 6 play on the floor, that leaves just 3 scholarships left. That's not enough to have a playing group of full scholarship kids. If someone gets hurt, like we saw the last few years and what we are seeing now with Eichie being out, you have no chance. You saw the ramifications this weekend vs. Providence. Down a scholarship MB, they did not have enough quality attackers to win. They have 2 OH that struggle with making unforced errors. They don't have any other scholarship players at the position, so they have to ride with what they have, even if they are having an off day. Volleyball is now the most popular sport for girls, surpassing basketball in the last couple of years. Its numbers continue to grow, it's the future of womens athletics. Go to ESPN3 and turn on the matches at Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, Purdue, Creighton, Kansas, Texas, Washington etc and the venues are packed. 6k-8k fans out watching womens volleyball. The sooner Gtown gets with the times the better chance they have in being relevant in a sport that is increasingly becoming more popular. ESPN had a triple header for volleyball on their network on Sunday. The know whats happening.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 25, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -5
Seems a bit far fetched to think that a few extra spots would bring us from a very mediocre program to an elite program, ie. beating top 10 programs. --the staff has shown no ability to recruit impact players over the last decade, doubt it would change that much with a few extra sports. take a look at the top 20 recruiting classes from this past year: volleyballmag.com/2017-top-recruiting-classes/. Hard to see Gtwn in that mix. By way of comparison men's tennis with worse facilities and no schoolies pulled in a top 30 recruit this yr and has to recruit against all of our natural compeitors with better facilities , scholarships better league, history etc. Looking at the schools which generate top recruiting classes Duke, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Vandy, Har, Nwester, Stan etc.I would think we could compete for top recruits more consistently if we had scholarships--that's just one example of a program that at least has shown some promise with limited resources--i'd much rather invest in a program that has shown some good things with no resources versus one that has little to show for a decent resource investment over a long period of time. Even if we didn't increase funding for another sport, I think we'd be better off investing in better coaches for sports that underperform like LAX to take one ex, than making a marginal improvement in VB. I'm sure VB would improve with the extra 3 schoolies, just hard to see that the improvement would be so dramatic as to justify the investment when we could probably get much better results by allocating marginal funds elsewhere. Allow me to provide you with some education. Georgetown can absolutely pull in top notch recruits and you don't have to look any further than the junior class. Prepvolleyball ranked the current junior class of Hoyas as the #29 ranked class in the country. McKnight was ranked #97 and Speech was ranked #65 overall. Sinnette was also a top recruit. Prepvolleyball is the source for all things volleyball, in case you were unaware. The #29 ranking was ahead of most power 5 programs including: Alabama, Clemson, Colorado, Georgia, Kansas State, LSU, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas A&M, Pitt, Indiana, Maryland, Missouri, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Wake Forest, Washington. 29. GEORGETOWN: Somto Egbuonu, 6-1 MB/RS, South Grand Prairie (Grand Prairie, Texas); Kenzie Higareda, 5-1 libero, Forest Park (Woodbridge, Virginia); Olivia King, 5-11 OH, Lower Merion (Ardmore, Pennsylvania); Paige McKnight 5-9 S, Dunwoody (Georgia); Alyssa Sinnette 5-11 OH, Dawson (Pearland, Texas); Symone Speech, 6-3 MB, Oak Park River Forest (Oak Park, Illinois) COMMENT: Head coach Arlisa Williams hopes that the Class of 2015 will signal a new era in Hoya volleyball. The class includes two Top 100 Senior Aces, three touching at least 10-0 and six expected to make an impact on the floor come fall. McKnight is the headliner. The Georgia Gatorade POY, and No. 97 in the Senior Aces, is a program changer at the setter position. She’s smart, smooth, athletic and plays full speed all the time. Speech, Senior Ace No. 65, brings height to the middle. A supreme blocker who is equal parts athletic and smart, Speech has all the tools and, more importantly, the desire to be great. Both Texans, Sinnette and Egbuonu, are high flyers with high ceilings. Sinnette is a smooth operator on the left, playing all six rotations and terminating from the front and back row. Egbuonu, converted from the middle, brings the blocking on the right side and will be hard to guard hitting first and second-tempo balls. Higareda has defense in her blood. This Defensive Dandy should see the floor immediately, either at libero or defensive specialist. King is the sleeper in the group. She is a solid all-around player and a high character person with the ability to impact on the floor as well as help the team culture.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 24, 2017 10:03:15 GMT -5
As expected, the Hoyas lost to Creighton last night. Also, probably expected, Creighton came out strong and blasted Georgetown in the first two sets. Perhaps unexpected, Georgetown won the third set. And then they got blasted again in the fourth. 12-25; 11-25; 25-20; 11-25. It's no news flash that Creighton is a much stronger team. Taking a set off them was an encouraging accomplishment; a sign of the progress that some in this thread have been pointing to. But those other three sets...wow. They were rough. The third set was very good. Georgetown served well and hit the ball well. They avoided the errors that plagued them the rest of the match. It's worth noting that Creighton did not empty it's bench in the third set; that win came against the same women that played the first two sets. And even in that set, Creighton hit 0.300, which is actually a respectable number. Georgetown just played very well and offered a glimpse of what they can do. They just need to do it more consistently. Also worth noting, the graduate transfer Eichie did not play. She has been an important piece for the Hoyas this season, and her absence in the middle was apparent on both offense and defense. Tomorrow is Providence, who beat Villanova yesterday (3-1). They seem improved this year, so I hope the Hoyas don't suffer a misstep. For what it's worth, the two teams' only common opponent so far this year is Army, who was swept by Georgetown and then swept Providence a couple weeks later. But it's always risky to take too much from those results. I watched the creighton match via their streaming link. The Hoyas came out and played scared. It was apparent the big lights of playing a top ranked team in a jam packed and raucus arena had the girls on their heels. Creighton had a game plan to serve aggressively at certain players and it worked. Hoyas were aced, shanked balls and we were out of system all match. To her credit, Coach Williams made some lineup changes with her outside hitters that have been struggling the entire year. She also missed Eichie in the middle a ton. Hoyas problems stem from their outside hitters inability to pass a serve keeping the offense in system as well as hitting for a percentage greater than .220 This issue comes down to a few kids and the 9 scholarship limit causes lack of depth where by the staff doesnt have many options. They have done a nice job giving kids opportunities to take the job. Unfortunately, nobody has stepped up. Todays match against Providence will be on the Big East Network. First serve is at 1pm.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 10, 2017 8:45:50 GMT -5
Volleyball goes 1-2 this weekend beating Coppin State 3-0 and losing to James Madison (Ncaa tourney team last year) and Buffalo in 5 sets each.
Probably couldve beat James Madison but had far too many attack errors and serving errors to overcome.
Against Buffalo they probably shouldve won as they outscored Buffalo. Had more kills and blocks than buffalo but serving errors was the difference at Gtown had 17 and buffalo had just 8.
Gtown vball season record stands at 6-3.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 2, 2017 16:48:49 GMT -5
Hoyas beat Army 3-0. Move to 5-1 on the season.
Won all three matches this weekend and didnt drop a set.
Congrats to the team!
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 1, 2017 14:31:20 GMT -5
The 2017 pre-season poll, more of the same. 1. Connecticut, 49 (7) 2. Liberty, 41 (1) 3. Old Dominion, 35 4. Providence, 33 5. Temple, 25 6. Quinnipiac, 19 7. Villanova, 15 8. Georgetown, 7 Seven points means, of course, everyone picked them last. Never quite understood how Georgetown can be consistently good in attracting top level women's lacrosse players but so lackluster with this sport. Thw difference is womens lacrosse is fully funded and field hockey is not. Tough to get top notch players if u dont have the scholarships.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 1, 2017 14:28:02 GMT -5
Hoyas beat The Citadel today 3-0
Hoyas record now stands at 3-1. Two matches tomorrow against Columbia and Army in The Pentagon tourney
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 15:23:30 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements. The 3.5 / 1200 or 1250 was what we were quoted at Cornell, Columbia and Yale. A bit dated though for completeness. I actually wasn't trying to be comparative to GU because I don't know what standard GU uses - it never was an issue. My understanding is Gtown uses 3.75 gpa unweighted and 28 ACT for athletes other than basketball SA
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 14:17:53 GMT -5
A quick twitter search of "Georgetown Volleyball" yielded a couple of volleyball recruit announcements the last couple of months. Hopefully Georgetown can build on their hot start to the season and it translates into recruits wanting to come to the hilltop. twitter.com/search?q=georgetown%20volleyball&src=typd
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 14:10:18 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 27, 2017 20:09:31 GMT -5
I think the volleyball team is on the verge of turning the program around. If you look at the roster there is a heavy number of Juniors and sophomores. The experience they gained the last two years should pay off this year and next. The performance this weekend showed a glimpse of what's to come. The team beat two NCAA tournament teams from last year in Howard and American. Both of those teams are predicted to win their conferences again this year. Santa Clara is expected to finish 5th in the very strong West Coast conference which is perennially a top 5 conference in the country. Georgetown went five sets with them and could've ended the weekend 3-0 over some very good competition. I expect them to be 5-1 after the Pentagon tournament next weekend.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 24, 2017 12:40:37 GMT -5
Volleyball can be extremely successful as former coach Nagel experienced in 1998. But you cant keep the program fighting with one hand behind their backs by not being fully funded.
Nagel served as head volleyball coach at Georgetown University, where she guided the Hoyas to their most successful season in program history in 1998. Georgetown, the top-ranked team in District I that season, captured its first share of a Big East Championship with a 24-6 overall record and a 10-1 conference mark to earn its first NCAA Tournament bid. Georgetown swept both Big East Rookie of the Year and Big East Player of the Year accolades while three of Nagel’s players earned all-conference accolades
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 21, 2017 10:06:43 GMT -5
As for not being able to win in volleyball, I would suggest you compare Georgetown to Notre Dame. ND is fully funded, their program has been horrible for a decade. They recently hired arguably the best college coach in the nation in Jim McLaughlin away from Washington where he built a powerhouse from nothing. ND is a "peer" in Olympic sports but have the distinct advantage of having a powerhouse football program to help fund the athletic department.
ND has invested heavily in volleyball with the hiring of McLaughlin. They have invested in their faciities, flooring, recruiting etc. And the benefits is a program that has turned around significantly in the win-loss column.
Georgetown has the same quality education as ND, a better campus location, more internship opportunities near campus and I'm sure there's much more that I'm unaware of. Volleyball can be turned around quickly as 6 players are on the floor at any one time. If you get 2 or 3 key OH or MB you have the chance to improve rapidly. Gtown does have other hurdles besides the 9 scholarship limit, mainly being the admissions decision and timing of that.
Oh, and ND doesn't have a single foreign player on their roster. For those of you on this board that feel that component is necessary.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 20, 2017 23:30:37 GMT -5
For those on this thread that are clueless as to what volleyball is beginning to become as a sport for the big ten schools...read the link below Yes, even our "peer" Northwestern, is investing heavily in the sport regardless of what naysayers will have you to believe in this thread. Every major conference is seeing additional investment in womens volleyball. Gtown can be competitive nationally if fully funded. Girls know there is no professional league for them after college, thus the education is the end game for them. They will always look first to schoold with prestigous educations, of which Gtown has few rivals. As for one posters insistance on foreign players, not sure where that is coming from but foreign players are not prevalent and the best programs dont have many, if any, foreign recruits. That assertion shows the lack of knowledge of the poster. As for the head coach, she was a highly regarded, highly sought after assistant coach at Florida before coming to Gtown. She was wanted by many schools and was considered a top hire and great get by Gtown at the time. She has 9 scholarships when the rest of the country has 12. Those 3 scholarships make a massive difference. Especially when there are injuries. The admission requirements also limit her as recruiting is getting younger and younger where it has become the norm to commit kids in 8th, 9th or 10th grade. Gtown cant commit those kids because admissions wants to see an ACT score and transcripts. Other schools can commit kids without it. Stanford is the only school that I'm aware of that has similiar restrictions on recruiting. Duke, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Rice, our peers academically, dont have such restrictions despite having similiar admission requirements of the general student body. “Imagine how far behind the race teams are when they start two scholarships down before the match ever starts,” Iowa coach Bond Shymansky said. Indiana and Ohio State will each play in new arenas in 2018, and Iowa in 2019. Michigan has also discussed a new one. “I think there is a difference between offering a sport, and supporting a sport,” Rose said. “I think the Big Ten has taken a leadership in both areas.” journalstar.com/sports/huskers/volleyball/big-ten-schools-have-put-resources-into-trying-to-be/article_cb51ea76-2130-53e6-a95f-08673d7dcabe.html
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 18, 2017 14:10:47 GMT -5
Ladies lost 1-0. They outplayed WVA but couldn't find the back of the net. They looked really good.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 17, 2017 19:03:10 GMT -5
I would count our peers for this discussion as academically elite institutions which also field d1 sports teams. I guess that would be the Ivies, Northwestern, Duke, ND, Vandy, Stanford, maybe UVA. Obviously we have significantly less resources overall than all of these schools, though in terms of money allocated to sports and not playing D1 football we are probably pretty close to the Ivies. You seem to be arguing that since volleyball has some general popularity at a high school level for girls in the US therefore we should allocate a lot of resources to it. That really doesn't seem to make sense as I don't think we are well positioned to field an elite program. Having a slightly better but still mediocre program would seem to be a waste of marginal incremental resources. Most top educational institutions focus on areas where they can exhibit excellence, whether it be in teaching, research, or athletics. Volleyball, which gets substantial support already has not evidenced any ability to compete at an elite level. If I look at the ivies, e.g., a lot of them have elite hockey programs. I would not recommend that Gtwn build a hockey program just because some of our peers do so because I think there is little prospect that we could build a top program at any kind of reasonable cost. Similarly if I took an academic example, not a lot of HS students study Arabic. However, Gtwn fields a top program because its part of an elite intl affairs offering which can be provided at a reasonable cost due to location philanthropic support, student demand etc. Gtwn is probably not as distinguished relatively speaking at some of the more popular languages. The other sports that I mentioned as examples, e.g., rowing, golf and tennis have all shown at least a periodic ability to either produce elite individual competitors(olympic medals for rowing), or significant team accomplishments, i.e., ncaa appearances for women's golf this year etc with very limited resources. All of these sports, rowing particularly have much stronger alumni support vs volleyball and we can easily point to success stories for our peer schools. Therefore if I'm going to reallocate resources among sports I would tend to give the extra fund to programs where either we/our peers have shown some success. Rowing? Seriously? Rowing? The sport is so malnourished of talent they have to scour athletes from other sports to row. Rowing coaches are recruiting volleyball players that arent good enough to play in college. The Ivies dont offer athletic scholarships, Gtown does, thats a huge difference. The Ivies are not Gtown peers wherever they offer athletic scholarships.
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