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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 23, 2022 8:54:58 GMT -5
OK, put the pessimism aside for a moment, do some homework and tell me what BEast roster scares you this year. 'Nova has a few grad students back for Covid years, but they are also likely starting two freshman, Whitmore being one who is expected to play above his class. Creighton has the most BEast experience and adding Scheierman is a boost, so they are basically stacked. Xavier looks strong, no doubt about that. The rest? Meh, I am just not seeing a whole lot to be intimidated. Coaches still matter, a lot, so you should be intimidated.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 21, 2022 11:42:03 GMT -5
Just my opinion - but I find the Georgetown local beat / bloggers / podcasts to be extremely underwhelming. Hilltop Hoops probably brings the most to the table in terms of actual info and holding the administrations feet to the fire - even if I sometimes disagree with the manner they do it. Thompsons Towel never seemed to get much consistency or traction from the student perspective. Hoyareport has too much of an ego/agenda for my taste - and I find that after I subscribe for a period of time I quickly remember why I cancelled the subscription previously. Casual has some solid blog posts from time to time but I find the podcast to be insufferable. NationWideNolan, Casual, et al are good podcast listens but it gets ruined for me by the host. Maybe the lack of top notch fan/alumni/student sites/blogs/pods is directly related to lack of access - but it seems unlikely. I think the admin/program utilizing national pundit types makes way more sense. The interviews Fanta & JR put out are underwhelming too, along with damn near every pre & post game presser. it's easy to see the constant in this issue... There is no part of the job where Ewing is even adequate.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 15, 2022 11:19:36 GMT -5
Another deflection.. You'd be great in Shaka Smarts system. He loves deflections. P.S. - Folks shouldn't discount what having kids who have bought in does for the team even if they aren't the most talented or play the most. The Georgetown way is to either kick those people out of school or make them a student manager. Given all the success, I’m shocked more coaches don’t try this.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 15, 2022 6:07:37 GMT -5
This is pretty much exactly what happens in human trafficking schemes.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 20:20:00 GMT -5
I hope to someday have someone in my life as willing to irrationally defend me as you do Ewing. To date, my parents, wife, nor kids are there yet. Nope you can check my post history. I said that I would have fired Ewing after this past season also. Just not for the reason most would. I expected loses. I was grading Ewing on player development. Short of Collin I didn't see a lot of growth from the players. You’ve consistently said he’s an above average coach which is about as ludicrous as it can get.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 18:38:22 GMT -5
2-18 is also quite horrible and also has nothing to do with the “mutiny” in 2019-20. The 0-20 is related directly to the mutiny. The mutiny directly led to lost players and recruitment of unworthy players. Let's just agree to disagree. I hope to someday have someone in my life as willing to irrationally defend me as you do Ewing. To date, my parents, wife, nor kids are there yet.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 17:56:49 GMT -5
They were 0-20 last year. Nothing about the “mutiny” excuses that kind of ineptitude. Ewing lost 2 in conferences games that were winnable last year. 2 (home Butler&DeP)...if you want to argue 2-18 over 0-20 have at it. 2-18 is also quite horrible and also has nothing to do with the “mutiny” in 2019-20.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 16:39:50 GMT -5
If you’re labeling Willard as Mr. Mediocre, how do you label Pat Ewing? When yall find one coach that went through what Ewing went through with the mutiny and came out of it with a positive record I'll join the mob. No coach survives the Mackinjo situation with a positive record. And please before you say it, no coach is kicking his best player off the team until it is definitely unsalvageable. They were 0-20 last year. Nothing about the “mutiny” excuses that kind of ineptitude.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 16:29:51 GMT -5
Sure, Ewing is just the unwitting victim of those unfortunate events. Bingo....how do you handle the situation in your field. You finally get a shot at your dream position. Year 2 you get the recruiting class that you want and things are going up. 1 problem your alpha recruit can't stand your beta recruit. Your business is starting to get a little buzz and most night you see the potential but it still rocky. This may be your last and only shot at your dream position. Also you haven't done enough to get equal or better replacements yet. How would you handle the situation? Don't forget that even though there is tension, Ewing's record was getting better each. YR2 was better than YR1 and YR3 was trending to be better than YR2. Georgetown head coach is Ewing’s dream job?
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 12:44:39 GMT -5
If you’re labeling Willard as Mr. Mediocre, how do you label Pat Ewing? When yall find one coach that went through what Ewing went through with the mutiny and came out of it with a positive record I'll join the mob. No coach survives the Mackinjo situation with a positive record. And please before you say it, no coach is kicking his best player off the team until it is definitely unsalvageable. Poor Pat Ewing, so unlucky.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 8:55:46 GMT -5
I don't think we are using the same definition of "mediocre." Merriam Webster: "of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance : ORDINARY, SO-SO." Cambridge Dictionary: "ordinary and not very good:" Leitao was not "ordinary" or "so-so." He was really bad/horrible. Mediocre is about .500. Ordinary. Leitao is .467 which is within the ordinary and not very good range. Randy Whitman who was a loser everywhere he is at .406 which is less than ordinary or horrible. .500 at the high major level is nowhere near ordinary.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 14, 2022 8:02:44 GMT -5
Holloway is taking every opportunity to promote his program.. They are so lucky that Mr Mediocre himself decided to take his talents to College Park. Honestly Holloway is a huge upgrade over Mr Mediocre. Was great timing for Seton Hall fans. 8-4 vs Pat Ewing
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 12, 2022 13:41:04 GMT -5
And to be fair to Coach Ewing he also prioritizes NBA leave athletic and length (LeBlanc, Pickett, Maclung, Galen Alexander, Riley, Murray, Q, Bradley e0, Mozone, Heath, Primo, Bass) but last year just happened to be a year where we had below Big East level athleticism across other board (save Aminu). That was his fault for having such a below level athletic team. tre king would’ve helped and he probably should have brought in an army of nba level athletes even if it meant running out of scholarships. But he didn’t and he paid the price He paid no price. Many of the students he brought to GU did but, make no mistake, nothing has happened to Ewing.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 11, 2022 8:23:15 GMT -5
Someone threw away the deflated basketball. 0-20 after five years on the job will force you to change your philosophy or have it changed for you. It’s win at all costs now and the program will live or die off Nickelberry’s recruiting. Pat is still Pat. Interested to see how the new lineup fares in the BE. The thing is, it’s not the “deflated basketball” philosophy that got us to this point. Ewing abandoned that almost immediately. It’s clear what the problem is here and it’s not that GU is clinging to an antiquated idea of melding athletics and academics.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 9, 2022 11:51:17 GMT -5
It's amazing to me that a kid gets run off the team and people are so committed to being abject homers that they argue it is in his best interest. What amazes me is that “fans” of the team always assume the worst about the coach and the program when anything changes on the roster. Not one person here knows what the conversation between Patrick and Malcolm was like, so nobody knows what actually happened. What has happened over the last five years that has earned Pat Ewing the benefit of the doubt?
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 8, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -5
Who’s to say that this wasn’t a strategic move by the Hoya staff. Ha, good one.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 7, 2022 14:35:46 GMT -5
There was clearly no forethought put into some of these decisions. Patrick Ewing’s MO.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 6, 2022 15:06:04 GMT -5
Although I am clear eyed about what needs to be done to have a consistently good Division 1 team and that may mean recruiting over a player, I had not considered that the decisions you highlight, some questionable, required that a scholarship player had to go. And I agree there are redundancies on the current roster that are likely to lead to unhappy players looking to transfer after the season. It’s a perpetual cycle that can only be broken by getting rid of the head coach.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 5, 2022 12:27:22 GMT -5
The primary goal of the bball team is to win basketball games, so let’s not get any more knotted up in this student athlete nonsense than we already are. You can’t be Victor Page U and Student Athlete U at the same time. That’s hypocritical. Now, I grant you we are and should prob continue to strive to be somewhere in the middle. But just stop with the Malcolm Wilson indignation. He might well belong on the Hilltop as a student. He never belonged on the hoops team as a bona fide D1 player. Nor did Ig. Let’s all move on. Well said. Its just the Ewing hate... Its down to the bone marrow. No matter what decision he makes whether its the wrong decision or the right one, it won't ever be good enough for some people here. Its the strategy. But, I'm with you. Moving on... Maybe one day, if he ever makes a good decision, we can see if the “Ewing hate” persists.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 5, 2022 12:22:08 GMT -5
The primary goal of the bball team is to win basketball games, so let’s not get any more knotted up in this student athlete nonsense than we already are. We kept a coach and the CoS after 0-20. The raison d'etre is not wins. We could also be a losing program that does right by the student athletes, but we're not that either. This should be pinned to the top of this board since it perfectly describes GU basketball in 2022.
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