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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 6, 2021 9:48:50 GMT -5
The only thing we know is that a top prospect (admittedly there are few left) is announcing today, and that Baldwin liked that tweet, right? There's no other confirmation of him declaring today? Correct. Here are the recruits in the top 25ish: Chet Holmgren, but I feel like I've heard that he doesn't plan to announce until after the high school season. His team is in the semi finals on Friday, and if they win then the Championship is Sunday. Patrick Baldwin Efton Reid is announcing April 15 Charles Bediako, very real possibility he could commit today since he's expected to commit "soon"
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 6, 2021 9:27:52 GMT -5
Bill posted an update this morning: "HOYAS. Need MEANARYWAYUP today surgery prayers appreciated. Ps old man green 23 đź‘Ť"
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 6, 2021 8:09:33 GMT -5
Aidan Curran (Hilltop Hoops) posted some rumors this morning: -Bile, Pickett, Blair: none are planning to return. Bile has gotten significant interest from European pro leagues -Tre King: transfer from Eastern Kentucky - we are the favorites to get him. 6'9 power forward/small ball 5. Good athlete, averaged around 15 points/6 rebounds a game. Shot 34% from 3 on fairly low volume. Seems like a very good fit for our needs at 4/5. Has played 3 seasons. To read the whole article: hilltophoops.substack.com/p/georgetown-recruiting-update-4521
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 4, 2021 19:26:19 GMT -5
You agree with smokeyjack that next year will not have a scholarship limit for basketball? No, he’s being facetious, but my real point all along is that the cap of 13 isn’t keeping us from recruiting anyone. If Polo doesn’t think Pat would say goodbye to Nos. 10-13 on our roster in a heartbeat for an impact transfer or 5-star recruit, then he’s the one being dense. Please point to where I said the scholarship situation was preventing Ewing from recruiting? I said the exact opposite of that last night. My only goal is to help educate people on how I understand the eligibility rules, since so many people on here say things like “So and so freshman could just use their free covid year next year” or “there’s no scholarship limit next year” or whatever. Maybe you have me confused with the people here that get all concerned about the scholarship numbers. I’m not. If Georgetown is recruiting players right now, then I’m assuming they know they have at least one spot open next year. And maybe we will find out how that spot opens or maybe we won’t (see 2016-2017), but either way I don’t really care. I wasn’t surprised or upset when Grayson Carter transferred, and I won’t be surprised or upset if something similar happened this year, especially with the available waivers.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 4, 2021 18:40:48 GMT -5
Correct. Polo has been quoting one article's take as gospel from the jump. Personally, I interpreted the NCCA's CV clause as a one-year hiatus of the 13-player cap, regardless of class. Yup. I’m only conveying what I’ve heard from a couple guys connected to D1 teams. Doesn’t help that Don is in a very strange situation as an academic senior who still has two fully years of eligibility. You agree with smokeyjack that next year will not have a scholarship limit for basketball?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 4, 2021 18:18:55 GMT -5
This actually was never confirmed by the NCAA. A few reporters said it early but it’s not a point that was clarified by the rules that were announced. My understanding is that we’re operating under the assumption that we CURRENTLY have an open position without needing an additional guy to transfer. Correct. Polo has been quoting one article's take as gospel from the jump. Personally, I interpreted the NCCA's CV clause as a one-year hiatus of the 13-player cap, regardless of class. If it’s a one year hiatus then we have infinite scholarships to give out. Totally makes sense. I may only have one source, but that’s one more source than you have for your theory. And honestly, the only reason I use that source is because it’s the only one that talks about how seniors can transfer but will count against the scholarship limit. There are lots of articles that explain the basic parameters of the eligibility extension and how the scholarships work for Fall sports. For instance, this article from wapo: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/14/ncaa-winter-sports-extra-eligibility/
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 4, 2021 18:17:38 GMT -5
From what I understand Carey graduated in 3 years hence he got the waiver to play immediately for us this year. He is a grad student technically so his case is even weirder. Did you even read my last post, or are you that dense?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 3, 2021 21:27:11 GMT -5
Carey has only used 3 of 5 years of his eligibility, so next year would be his 4th year. Only players using their 5th year at their current team next year do not count against the scholarship limit. This actually was never confirmed by the NCAA. A few reporters said it early but it’s not a point that was clarified by the rules that were announced. My understanding is that we’re operating under the assumption that we CURRENTLY have an open position without needing an additional guy to transfer. [mention]dense [/mention] I mean, this article has quotes from an NCAA spokesperson. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-10-14/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-ncaa-extra-year-of-eligibility-new-transfer-rule“If a student-athlete stays at their current school but has exhausted eligibility, their aid doesn’t count against team limits.” Don Carey has not exhausted his eligibility. That doesn’t change with when he graduated. The graduation was only meaningful for last year’s transfer. It does not affect his eligibility. [mention]trillesthoya [/mention] I don’t pretend to know everything that the coaching staff knows, and unlike some people here I trust them to know their own roster management. It doesn’t really matter how we count the scholarships, it matters how they do. I mean, we still don’t technically know how Georgetown was going to be under the scholarship limit in the 16-17 season before Paul White transferred a couple days before school started. But again, it doesn’t matter how the fans count the scholarships. I agree that they seem to be operating as if they know they have at least one spot to fill. Unless you know something that I don’t know (and you very well could), then that open space could be related to any of the 13 players the fans assume to be on next year’s roster.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 3, 2021 20:17:48 GMT -5
Our off-seasons are always so perplexing, even this season when it appears we had a complete recruiting class. With Wahab leaving that seemed answer the need for a scholarship to bring Aminu in. But now we are still recruiting a point guard and another big/power forward. Whic we could use, but this is really mind boggling. And as usual our coach is silent...he works in silence. No real complaint..it's always something better than expected. I don't how he will do this, but this is a team make-over that we probably won't recognize in July. I think alot of people are assuming Carey schollie counts against there is been no confirmation of that, that I have seen. Carey has only used 3 of 5 years of his eligibility, so next year would be his 4th year. Only players using their 5th year at their current team next year do not count against the scholarship limit.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 3, 2021 13:41:35 GMT -5
Marreon Jackson to announce next week. Arkansas, Arizona State, Georgetown and Miami in his final four.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 2, 2021 13:17:30 GMT -5
I don't understand what you're asking. Also what does hm mean? Are those your initials? Did you really just ask whether hm is Hoops McCan’s initials? To be fair, when I started reading HoyaTalk I thought hoopsmccan was closing every post with "hmmm...." which seemed like kind of a jerk move.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 2, 2021 13:07:58 GMT -5
I am curious if the folks here would actually support forcing out a player to make room for a 4* or 5* talent. In asking this question I am assuming that no one else wants to leave and that the only way to open a scholarship for another player would be to take one away from an existing player. That's a big assumption that you're making though. I'm not hoping or wishing for any other Hoyas to transfer out, but I could come up with compelling arguments for any of the players on the roster to transfer given the current landscape. I'm not speculating at all about any specific players, just acknowledging the reality of college basketball this year.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 23:37:20 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 21:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 18:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 15:52:35 GMT -5
Dear god. Why are we wasting time talking to these types of prospects? Make the top transfers a high priority and stay on them all day. We really need 1-2 high level pieces depending on who else leaves if we want to be top half of the BE. The Hoyas have already reached out to 13-17 transfers, and I'm sure that number will probably double or triple. And it's hard to make accurate assumptions about Ewing's priorities when all we have are Twitter rumors. "Reaching out" to one transfer could be just a simple text message, while "reaching out" to another transfer could be a Zoom conference call with the entire coaching staff and a virtual campus tour.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 15:46:54 GMT -5
I believe it's only free transfer for your first transfer. Since this is his 2nd transfer, he would have to sit unless he gets a waiver. I guess it would be also possible he graduates over the summer in 3 years, then he could be a grad transfer and play immediately. Not sure what his academic situation is like. Isn’t there a free transfer if your coach transfers? And Mac hasn’t taken his COVID year free-transfer. Pat gave him the requested release. I bet he would love to add to his brand by playing for the Longhorns. The rule has only been proposed, not passed yet. The potential rule would allow one transfer waiver per student athlete. Right now, something different is occurring. Because of the pandemic, the NCAA granted waivers to everyone for the 2020-2021 season, and many people expect waivers to also be granted to everyone for the 2021-2022 season. Hence all of the transfer portal traffic (along with all of the current seniors with an extra year which they could use at another school). It's unclear when the rule will be passed, and it's unclear how the rule will be retroactively applied for student athletes that have already received transfer waivers in previous seasons. For Mac McClung, he could certainly enter the transfer portal if he wanted to, with the hope that the NCAA would grant blanket waivers again or that he could make an argument for another waiver (coach left, pandemic concerns, family requirements, etc.). You also mentioned that "Pat gave him the requested release" in relation to last year's transfer. That's not quite the correct wording. McClung entered the transfer portal last year, Ewing publicly supported the decision, and it was reported that Georgetown was supportive in McClung and Texas Tech obtaining a transfer waiver. Ewing did not release McClung, and no argument could be made that Ewing "ran off" McClung. I would assume if the rumors are true about the injury/trainer, McClung probably could have put together a compelling argument for a transfer waiver. One other component is transferring within the same conference. I'm not an expert in the Big 12, but based on the 2 minutes I spent reading the Big 12 rules it sounds like a player would forfeit a year of eligibility if they transfer within the conference. I'm not sure that it would be enforced or how it would work with the 5 years of eligibility currently available, but it's something to consider.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 15:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 11:38:22 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 6:25:59 GMT -5
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