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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 31, 2007 20:12:53 GMT -5
Deke has freaskish timing; he also had amazing positioning. He's a good (but not great) athlete who is 7'2" with an amazing wingspan. Give him credit for becoming one of the best defensive centers in basketball history (not saying you are taking away any credit MCI).
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Post by TahoeSkin on May 31, 2007 20:27:39 GMT -5
Deke has freaskish timing; he also had amazing positioning. He's a good (but not great) athlete who is 7'2" with an amazing wingspan. Give him credit for becoming one of the best defensive centers in basketball history (not saying you are taking away any credit MCI). Agree with you once again, HoyaLove. Mo was a good, not great, and certainly not fantastic athlete.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 31, 2007 20:40:44 GMT -5
What's your definition of an athlete then? Because deke had his endurance and his ability to get up and down the court before he made himself into a great defensive center. In fcat when he first stepped out on the court at GU he was immediately a great runner for someone his size and a guy with great endurance. He didn't have to work on improving his athleticism as Roy has.
By the definition of some of you folks a long distance runner would not be a great athlete either because he/she can't win in sprints or participate in the long jump. Nonsense. Deke may be on the low end of explosive athleticism that most NBA players have, but for 7'2 guy to be able to run like he did and to have that type of endurance, well, that's an example of having fantastic athletic ability. He wasn't slow footed either. You're also talking about a guy who was supposedly a good soccer player too. And considering his shot blocking abilities he had pretty good hands-eyes coordination (not all tall guys have the ability to block shots as well as he does after all). I think you are selling him short on that front.
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Post by TahoeSkin on May 31, 2007 21:37:10 GMT -5
What's your definition of an athlete then? Because deke had his endurance and his ability to get up and down the court before he made himself into a great defensive center. In fcat when he first stepped out on the court at GU he was immediately a great runner for someone his size and a guy with great endurance. He didn't have to work on improving his athleticism as Roy has. By the definition of some of you folks a long distance runner would not be a great athlete either because he/she can't win in sprints or participate in the long jump. Nonsense. Deke may be on the low end of explosive athleticism that most NBA players have, but for 7'2 guy to be able to run like he did and to have that type of endurance, well, that's an example of having fantastic athletic ability. He wasn't slow footed either. You're also talking about a guy who was supposedly a good soccer player too. And considering his shot blocking abilities he had pretty good hands-eyes coordination (not all tall guys have the ability to block shots as well as he does after all). I think you are selling him short on that front. Well, MCI, an athlete to me is someone who possesses the necessary strength, agility, and endurance to ably compete at some sort of physical activity. As I said before, Mo was a good athlete. And for his size, yeah, maybe he was a pretty good athlete. But getting up and down the court during a basketball game doesn't necessarily qualify him as a great or fantastic athlete, and I don't think Mo was either a great or fantastic athlete. I never saw him play soccer, and I heard he slayed a lion once, but since I never saw him do so, I can't comment on what kind of athlete that makes him in those fields. A long distance runner may or may not be a great athlete. I used to run 10ks all the time, with some pretty fast times, but I certainly never would consider myself a great or fantastic athlete because of that. Now, Pat and Zo, on the other hand, had great athletic ability, IMHO. I love Roy and Mo, and I'm not trying to knock them. My only point was that it appears to me that Jakub, as a 17 year old, has at least the same physical athleticism that Roy possessed at the same age.
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Post by prhoya on May 31, 2007 23:28:37 GMT -5
Jakub, work your ass off and you'll do fine. Good luck, kid!
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Post by RDF on May 31, 2007 23:58:11 GMT -5
What's your definition of an athlete then? Because deke had his endurance and his ability to get up and down the court before he made himself into a great defensive center. In fcat when he first stepped out on the court at GU he was immediately a great runner for someone his size and a guy with great endurance. He didn't have to work on improving his athleticism as Roy has. By the definition of some of you folks a long distance runner would not be a great athlete either because he/she can't win in sprints or participate in the long jump. Nonsense. Deke may be on the low end of explosive athleticism that most NBA players have, but for 7'2 guy to be able to run like he did and to have that type of endurance, well, that's an example of having fantastic athletic ability. He wasn't slow footed either. You're also talking about a guy who was supposedly a good soccer player too. And considering his shot blocking abilities he had pretty good hands-eyes coordination (not all tall guys have the ability to block shots as well as he does after all). I think you are selling him short on that front. Well, MCI, an athlete to me is someone who possesses the necessary strength, agility, and endurance to ably compete at some sort of physical activity. As I said before, Mo was a good athlete. And for his size, yeah, maybe he was a pretty good athlete. But getting up and down the court during a basketball game doesn't necessarily qualify him as a great or fantastic athlete, and I don't think Mo was either a great or fantastic athlete. I never saw him play soccer, and I heard he slayed a lion once, but since I never saw him do so, I can't comment on what kind of athlete that makes him in those fields. A long distance runner may or may not be a great athlete. I used to run 10ks all the time, with some pretty fast times, but I certainly never would consider myself a great or fantastic athlete because of that. Now, Pat and Zo, on the other hand, had great athletic ability, IMHO. I love Roy and Mo, and I'm not trying to knock them. My only point was that it appears to me that Jakub, as a 17 year old, has at least the same physical athleticism that Roy possessed at the same age. Nobody is denying that Jakub is athletic and I hope he becomes the next version of Roy--but Roy possessed some outstanding touch and skills in terms of the ability to make shots, shoot from outside, good FT shooting and you don't find that in 16 year old HS Seniors who happen to be 7'2. His development was slowed due to breaking his foot and not being able to move/run--he was growing extremely fast--but he was impressive enough for CBS Sportsline's writer covering Nike Camp to do a write up on him-saying he was a great kid and will be someone he'll pull for to become a great player--those type of players stand out as potential big time talents--they aren't going into their SR year averaging under 5 and 5---and it's not as if Jakub is facing his peers--he's facing small kids--and Roy was always bashed for the level of competition he faced--and as MCI pointed out--he flourished against the tougher competition for most part. All I know is that Roy entered Georgetown getting bashed--and MCI and I were leading the cheers for him at that time and defending him--and while I'd love to see this kid follow his lead--I'd rather take skilled/further along players for the program then develop this guy who has not shown the offensive skill level--what Roy can do dribbling/passing wise can't be taught--you either have that instinct or don't. So I'm more focused on the likes of Monroe and Dunigan and while it's not a sure thing--they are just more advanced at this stage--if Jakub blows up this Summer--he'll do so in front of Hoya staff and will get the recognition/attention that comes with being a big time 7'4 prospect. I never wish kids to fail--unless it's in a game against Hoyas--but I'm not going to get excited about a guy just because he's tall either.
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Post by TahoeSkin on Jun 1, 2007 13:34:59 GMT -5
One thing I should note about Jakub's stats is that his team often had to go small, and Jakub had poor conditioning, both of which contributed to diminished playing time and therefore low stats. Yes, we'll have to wait and see what happens this summer.
But there's a reason the Georgetown staff has a high interest level in Jakub and invited him to work out this summer at McD, and it probably had nothing to do with low stats or newly developing offensive skills.
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Post by ron on Jun 1, 2007 16:02:40 GMT -5
philmore will be a swingman, while judge will be a jeff green type forward imo.
agree that the polish kid will be a heckuva stretch, unless he has the type of development roy had between freshman and sophomore years. and even then, he'll still be a stretch.
agree with you rdf..you gotta be careful taking too many projects, and be selective with your projects. will bowers was 7 feet, and fairly active...and still sucked. hahahahahaha
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 1, 2007 19:42:11 GMT -5
RUN CONDITION WEIGHT ROOM AND PRACTICE THAT WHAT ROY DID OVER SEVEN FOOTER IS AN OVER SEVEN FOOOTER NOW ITS ABOUT SWEAT AND HEART GO JAKUB
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