on campus arena questions

[mrsixer123]

1. How do u propose to handle the traffic before and after games?

2. Where would fans park?

3. Where would the arena be located on campus?

4. Seating capacity for the new arena?

5. What happens to mcdonough after the new arena is built?

[nodak89]

mrsixer123 said:

1. How do u propose to handle the traffic before and after games?

2. Where would fans park?

3. Where would the arena be located on campus?

4. Seating capacity for the new arena?

5. What happens to mcdonough after the new arena is built?

1. Portkeys

2. One big locker for broomsticks (and then, obviously, use the Portkeys)

3. Just next to the Forbidden Forest, across from the Quidditch pitch

4. 7000. Should be enough for students from all four Houses and a few thousand Muggles

5. Make it Unplottable--don't want the Death Eaters to find it




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EDIT:

sorry.

I was under the Imperius Curse when I posted that.

[DFW HOYA]

Since there have been no plans discussed in the last seven years, here were the answers proposed in 2000:

^{1. How do u propose to handle the traffic before and after games?}
Traffic would be comparable to that McDonough games circa 1981.

^{2. Where would fans park?}
Shuttle buses would run from the Rosslyn Metro station for the overflow

^{3. Where would the arena be located on campus?}
The 2000 plan was an expansion of McDonough.

^{4. Seating capacity for the new arena?}
6,000-6,500.

^{5. What happens to mcdonough after the new arena is built?}
It gets fixed.

The real concern is that there are so many facilities problems that even a practice facility doesn't solve the problems.

[lichoya68]

ps the plan is and i think its th eright way is to build a new practice state of the art facility before they move on any idea about an on campus arena.. watch the football team change in sw quad bathrooms and go there for halftime when there is a soceeer or field hockey and volleyball going on to go hoya stay roy and jeff and finish the multisport and then the practice facility adn THEN LETS TALK ABOUT AN on campus arena but if were selling out the booth with like 19ooo a game where will we put them all just a thougth and a question go hoyas

[FairfaxHoya]

nodak89 said:

mrsixer123 said:

1. How do u propose to handle the traffic before and after games?

2. Where would fans park?

3. Where would the arena be located on campus?

4. Seating capacity for the new arena?

5. What happens to mcdonough after the new arena is built?

1. Portkeys

2. One big locker for broomsticks (and then, obviously, use the Portkeys)

3. Just next to the Forbidden Forest, across from the Quidditch pitch

4. 7000. Should be enough for students from all four Houses and a few thousand Muggles

5. Make it Unplottable--don't want the Death Eaters to find it




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EDIT:

sorry.

I was under the Imperius Curse when I posted that.

I'm a little embarrassed that I caught the Portkey reference, but it did make me laugh out loud.

[Dhall]

mrsixer123 said:

1. How do u propose to handle the traffic before and after games?

2. Where would fans park?

3. Where would the arena be located on campus?

4. Seating capacity for the new arena?

5. What happens to mcdonough after the new arena is built?

You forgot to ask how we propose to beat teams like Old Dominion in that "superior on-campus enviroment". Verizon Center is better than anything that could be built on campus and more convenient for everyone except students (who don't seem to mind the easy drive or metro based on their attendance this year). Forget about an on campus arena and stay at Verizon, which has enabled us to make the Sweet 16 and Final Four in the past two years, plus ink a handful of top recruits. If Coach wants a practice facility on campus, fine.

[turbohoya]

DHall - I agree that the on-campus arena vs. VZ Center debate is blown out of proportion when we talk about just the environment/spirit aspect but we should not forget the financial and scheduling angles. We currently rent the VZ Center on a per game basis (I remember a $50k number but we need to check that) and from my understanding make money on ticket receipts alone (not sure what percentage). Concessions and other revenue generators belong to VZ Center. Bottom line someone needs to take a look at whether we could make money running our own facility. Scheduling is the other BIG issue. Assuming the new ESPN contract actually holds up and we are on some kind of TV every game, the advantage of setting our own game times will be a huge plus in terms of scheduling.

[Deleted]

Renegotiating the deal with the powers that be at MCI is much easier than getting an on-campus arena.

Ten trillion times easier.

Stay at MCI, get a better deal next time it comes up for renewal, keep the program strong (as in, spend resources on III and an on-campus practice facility), and watch the "problems" start to dissipate. If Georgetown didn't have such ineffective leadership in the past, playing at MCI would be an asset RIGHT NOW, rather than the next time the deal is re-upped.

All that said, this debate is STILL pointless. An on-campus arena won't be built in the next fifty years, that much is certain.

[hifigator]

I am not familiar with the area since I wasn't even old enough to drive when I stayed up there for a couple of summers. How far away is the MCI center from campus? Do they have an established shuttle service for students? I know they have city buses, but that isn't what I am talking about.

Lastly, there are a couple of areas you might want to consider with an "on campus" facility, both good and bad. At least in Florida and I would expect D.C. to be the same, the University is considered "private property." The governing body is therefore the University. Obviously in anything serious, city, state and even federal agents will respond. But on minor or customary issues, the governing regulation are determined by the University.
I am sure there are many others, but just to mention a couple which have received much discussion down here: scalping and open container.

The City of Gainesville has a no open container policy. This is in effect on all public property. They also enforce it on private property at certain times. There is a principle called "quasi-public" which basically means a private property but where the public is implicitly invited. Parking lots are a perfect example. I don't know what the rules are and how they are enforced around the MCI center, but it would probably be much different on campus -- maybe stricter maybe not, but almost assuredly there would be a noticeable difference.

The University has explicitly stated their policy although they seem to enforce it randomly. The president of the University has stated that we want people to have fun but also control themselves. (who doesn't want that?) In any case, they have stated that tailgates are acceptable but you are supposed to stay in your tailgate area and not wander out of it with an open container. Obviously there is much ambiguity here. In any case, the unofficial rule as adopted by UPD officers is that tailgators are fine in a parking lot at a car. Open containers are NOT accepted on sidewalks or streets. It is really fairly straight forward if you think about it and I kind of like the system.

Off campus however it is much more strict. Open containers are given anywhere and everywhere on public or quasi-public property. Every single year we have fans from other schools come make their appearance for gameday and end up making another appearance ... a first appearance the next morning. In all seriousness, they changed that part last year. Prior to that, if you were from out of state, you would get arrested for an open container, but if you were a Floridian you just received a ticket. At least they have improved the system a might. But you still have people in a parking lot on the east side of a street tailgatoring legally while people in a lot directly across the street in a lot looking eerily similar are given tickets left and right.

Lastly, Florida used to have a "no scalping" law. The legislature did away with that almost 2 years ago. However, the University has an unofficial "no scalping" policy. The way it works is that they require you to have a permit to sell ANYTHING on campus. That is how they get around the state law which legalized scalping. Unless you are a total a$$, all of the officers I have seen will simply ask you to move across the street if you are selling a ticket, but technically they could arrest you for operating without a peddler's license.

I know this is a might tangential, but in all seriousness, I would certainly want to consider the ramifacations of these potential situations.

[joey0403p]

hifigator -

MCI center is in the center of the city just a few blocks from the capital. Just about all parking is underground. We have no issue with tailgating - there are none. We just go to the handful of bars.

As for Scalpers...in DC it seems like anything goes.

I don't think we have the same issues in terms of an on-campus arena.

[hifigator]

joey0403p said:

hifigator -

MCI center is in the center of the city just a few blocks from the capital. Just about all parking is underground. We have no issue with tailgating - there are none. We just go to the handful of bars.

As for Scalpers...in DC it seems like anything goes.

I don't think we have the same issues in terms of an on-campus arena.

NO Tailgating?? Wow, no wonder some of you are so bitter.

Seriously, the socializing with fellow fans and enjoying food from the grill and beverages from the cooler is half the fun. It is always great to win, but if that is the only element then you are setting yourself up for disappointment a bit too often. I guess it is kind of like that shirt we have all seen that says a bad day fishing beats a good day at work. Tailgatoring as we call it, is a fundamental element of "gameday." And it wouldn't be the same without it. When I was in college I thought we tailgated .... but hanging out with a group of students slamming beers isn't all there is to it. We make it an event and everyone enjoys it. We all want to win and it certainly makes it all the better, but if everyone went straight to the game and then straight home that would take a lot of the edge off even an undefeated season.

I would strongly support an on campus facility if the option you describe is the only alternative.

[HoyaLingus]

Wow guys. If Hifi says it, we should *totally* look into it.

[ExcitableBoy]

hifigator said:

NO Tailgating?? Wow, no wonder some of you are so bitter.

Seriously, the socializing with fellow fans and enjoying food from the grill and beverages from the cooler is half the fun. It is always great to win, but if that is the only element then you are setting yourself up for disappointment a bit too often. I guess it is kind of like that shirt we have all seen that says a bad day fishing beats a good day at work. Tailgatoring as we call it, is a fundamental element of "gameday." And it wouldn't be the same without it. When I was in college I thought we tailgated .... but hanging out with a group of students slamming beers isn't all there is to it. We make it an event and everyone enjoys it. We all want to win and it certainly makes it all the better, but if everyone went straight to the game and then straight home that would take a lot of the edge off even an undefeated season.

I would strongly support an on campus facility if the option you describe is the only alternative.

Hifi, yes it is possible to tailgate for basketball games, but I think you're mixing up your sports here.

Football is the big tailgating sport, but basketball? Not as much. For one, the games aren't always on Saturday. It's much less practical to tailgate for a few hours before a 7pm Tuesday night tip off. What's more, unlike Swampsville, we have four seasons here. Sitting outside downing beers with friends is great in September/October, but not quite so great in January/February.

[williambraskyiii]

This is actually a shocker. Hififlamer hijacking another thread with his inane banter on all things Florida Gator.

Dear God,

please strike hifigaytor down with great vengeance and furious anger."

Your Humble Servant,

Bill Brasky

[FromTheBeginning]

Why are we talking to Hifagator about facilities?? Go away!

[hifigator]

fromthebeginning said:

Why are we talking to Hifagator about facilities?? Go away!

You are a schmuck. I didn't do or say anything wrong, yet once again someone chimes in with some unsolicited insult.



All I did was point out a couple of secondary issues which could be affected by an on campus facility as opposed to one off campus. Now granted the difference in our case is almost one of semantics, as if the facility is not "on" campus, it would be right across the street. I understand that is not the case in your situation. Thus my very first comment/question on this thread was how far away is the MCI center. That does matter quite a bit. In any case I merely pointed out a couple of issues which you might not have considered. It might influence your decision and it might not. Either way it is no skin off my back.

Yet 3 of you (probably 4, but brasky remains the one and only person on any board I have ever "ignored" ...) whine at and about me for absolutely no reason.

Lastly, whoever brought up the weather issue at least tried to make a decent point. But they do tailgate in Green Bay Wisconsin and it is rather cold. Granted, the game is outside and most are dressed accordingly.

But FYI, they tailgate in Detroit and Seattle where the games are inside for inclement weather. They manage to make it work as well.


I bid you adieu.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

hifi another issue you don't know about because you don't know our fan base is that they are different from the football tailgaitng crowd. Most of the non student fans just get to the game on time and often come straight from work. Most of them don't have time to tailgate and plenty just aren't the tailgaiting type. I don't really think it's an issue. If we had an oncampus arena and a place to tailgate I'm usre the students would take full advantage of it and many of the members of this board, but the majority of the fan base would not necessarily.

[The Stig]

There aren't any sizeable uncovered parking lots on Georgetown's campus, so tailgating wouldn't be much of an option for an on-campus arena either. The lack of space in DC means you'll find that problem pretty much anywhere.

[ExcitableBoy]

hifigator said:

Lastly, whoever brought up the weather issue at least tried to make a decent point. But they do tailgate in Green Bay Wisconsin and it is rather cold. Granted, the game is outside and most are dressed accordingly.

But FYI, they tailgate in Detroit and Seattle where the games are inside for inclement weather. They manage to make it work as well.


I bid you adieu.

Hi fi,

I made the weather point AFTER I made a point about how you were mixing up your sports and talking about football not basketball. Apparently I was right.

Adieu indeed.