You play this Final Four ten times...

[guru]

I say Florida wins 6, we win 3 and OSU wins one. We just had an off game at a very inopportune time, and I really think most of our bad play can be attributed to nerves. It was disappointing, but I wouldn't be any prouder of our guys if we were cutting down the nets tonight, just a little happier.

What a fantastic team, and what a ride they gave us this season. Thanks to all of them! The best part is, no matter what happens with players leaving, we have a great shot to be back in the Final Four next season, and in every season for the foreseeable future. Thanks JT3.

PAY THE MAN.

[VictorSkyPage]

guru said:

Thanks JT3.

PAY THE MAN.

The importance of this cannot be understated, waste no time.

[miracles87]

Amen Guru. My only quibble is that my calculations, after watching Saturday's games, have us winning 9 out if a possible 10, I agree completely.

Go Hoyas!!! Break out that checkbook!!

[lichoya68]

play the games without mr. tv ted valentine and who knows jeff didnot block on oden he chargeda dn a few others woulda like to have seen oden and roy for the whole game playing without mr. tv ted getting his face into the game as usual but IT WAS A GREAT RIDE THANKS HOYA AND PAY JT3 YES NEED TO KEEP HIM AND ASA MANY ASSITANT COACHES AS WE CAN 2008will be great go hoays

[RDF]

The beauty of it is you play it once--it's there to be won and you either step up--or go home. I think the loud silence in misery is due to knowing that we didn't get our best performance from our best player in the biggest game of the year--which leads you to mention "If we played 10 times......"--all I can say is if we played 10 times and got the performance from Jeff we did--we'd lose 10 times.

Fellas, it's there to be WON--as in NOW--and next year is not promised, the future could end up great or it might end up short of expectations-it's why you live in the now and take advantage of your opportunity by going out with everything you've got and I really feel we didn't see that on Saturday and it sickens me. We saw it from majority of team--which I'm proud of--Wallace and Roy especially--Jessie was Jessie and DaJuan gave effort--just didn't have it--but to know our best player didn't bring his best game--that sucks and is cause of my misery/foul mood.

[guru]

I agree that nothing is guaranteed RDF, but my misery is tempered by how great the season was. I'll take Big East reg season, tourney and Final Four any season and be very happy about it.
And the fact is, that if we maintain the trajectory so far under JT3, Final Four trips won't crop up only once ever 22 years. In fact, if the trajectory remains on track (zero NCAA wins in year 1, two NCAA wins in year 2, four NCAA wins in year 3) then we'll all be pretty happy this time next year.

[mapei]

I'm not at all sure that we beat OSU a majority of the times. They didn't play their best game, either, especially with their biggest difference-maker on the bench for 20 minutes.

They didn't get to 21 straight wins with their schedule and the #1 ranking in the country without being really, really good. They only lost three games all year so far (after tonight it will be four), half of what we lost. And, yeah, some of their wins had a bit of good fortune in them (so did some of ours). I think OSU deserves a lot more credit than people on this board are giving them.

I think we exceeded expectations this year and had a fabulous season. And I think maybe we would win 2-4 of 10 games against OSU, and it would take our absolute best game to do it. We didn't have that Saturday night, but it's not realistic to expect to have that every single night. And I don't think we saw OSU's best game, either.

[guru]

I think that's because it's so clear that we didn't play well, so that's naturally where our focus is.

I watched OSU play a lot this season, and it's not homerism to think we beat them 6 times out of ten. I also think that we match up with FLA a lot better than they do, so we have a better shot at beating the gators. That's why I only had them winning one in ten. They could beat us five times, but still lose to Florida.

Anyway, it's neither here nor there now. They were better when it mattered, but I can't be disappointed by the way this season has turned out.

[nodak89]

guru said:

I agree that nothing is guaranteed RDF, but my misery is tempered by how great the season was. I'll take Big East reg season, tourney and Final Four any season and be very happy about it.
And the fact is, that if we maintain the trajectory so far under JT3, Final Four trips won't crop up only once ever 22 years. In fact, if the trajectory remains on track (zero NCAA wins in year 1, two NCAA wins in year 2, four NCAA wins in year 3) then we'll all be pretty happy this time next year.

the experience curve seems to be linear

number of NCAA tourney wins = 2 * (number of JT3 years at GU - 1)

next year we win 6



;D
lies, damn lies and algebra.

[mapei]

Guru, I agree with you on our matchup with Florida.

[Madgesdiq]

I wish they brought back the third place game just so I could see this team play once more.

[brutusisgood]

I can understand thinking that if the games were played again Georgetown would win a few, but 9 out of 10? Please. You act like you played this terrible game while OSU was playing out of its mind. In my opinion, while OSU played a great game defensively compared to their normal selves, our offensive game was not on par and the box score reflects this.

OSU field goal percentage vs. Georgetown = 43.9%
OSU field goal percentage during the season = 47.3%
Difference = -3.4%

Georgetown field goal percentage vs. OSU = 49%
Georgetown field goal percentage during the season = 50.5%
Difference = -1.5%

OSU three point percentage vs. Georgetown = 28.6%
OSU three point percentage during the season = 36.7%
Difference = -8.1%

Georgetown three point percentage vs. OSU = 33.3%
Georgetown three point percentage during the season = 37%
Difference = -3.7%

In summary it was OSU that was shooting worse in Saturday's game. If played again it is fair for you to think that Georgetown could shoot the basketball better, make the missed layups, and convert some more of the threes, but you must also except that OSU might get hot from three and not go 4-14 from behind the line.

Rebounding is also seen as the reason you lost this game.

OSU rebounds vs. Georgetown = 36
OSU rebounds during the season per game = 35.8
Difference = +.2

Georgetown rebounds vs. OSU = 29
Georgetown rebounds during the season = 33.8
Difference = -4.8

While five more rebounds might have made up the difference in Saturday's game I'm still not sure how this shows such a terrible difference in the teams averages throughout the season to warrant a claim that Georgetown could beat OSU 9 out of 10 times.

Turnovers have also been mentioned as a reason you lost.

OSU turnovers vs. Georgetown = 8
OSU turnovers on the year = 11.5
Difference = -3.5

Georgetown turnovers vs. OSU = 14
Georgetown turnovers on the year = 13.4
Difference = +.6

Again not too different from our normal games. Throughout the season Georgetown has had more problems turning the ball over than OSU.

Basically what I am saying is there is no way we would lose 9 out of 10. A few wins for Georgetown? Sure. Would we win more than half? I think there is a good chance because teams will always vary in their field goal and three point percentage, but one thing would be constant, and that is that Mike Conley Jr. would still be the fastest player on the court no matter how many times we played.

[HarbinHoya]

There are a lot of what ifs, but ultimately we got a chance and we didnt take advantage of it. I am hopeful this team can return to the same stage next year, but its such a long journey that depends on the team clicking on all cylinders that its hard to look now and make any predictions. In the next few weeks we find out a lot about what the make up of our squad will be next year and hopefully we will get one more shot at it with this whole team intact.

Matt

[guru]

brutusisgood, I didn't say we'd beat you 9 out of ten times. I said OSU would only win this Final Four (the four team tournament as it is set up), once out of ten. You could beat us 10 out of 10 times and still win the Final Four only once. That's all I meant.

No disrespect intended, by the way. OSU is a very, very good team and you beat us straight up. The disappointment here is that we didn't bring our best at the most important point in the season - OSU wasn't perfect either, but I've seen them often enough to know when they're playing fairly well, which was a level the Hoyas didn't even achieve on Saturday.

Anyway, good luck tonight. I'll be pulling for you against the Gators and Mr AnnoyingManinaDress.

[brutusisgood]

guru said:

brutusisgood, I didn't say we'd beat you 9 out of ten times. I said OSU would only win this Final Four (the four team tournament as it is set up), once out of ten. You could beat us 10 out of 10 times and still win the Final Four only once. That's all I meant.

No disrespect intended, by the way. OSU is a very, very good team and you beat us straight up. The disappointment here is that we didn't bring our best at the most important point in the season - OSU wasn't perfect either, but I've seen them often enough to know when they're playing fairly well, which was a level the Hoyas didn't even achieve on Saturday.

Anyway, good luck tonight. I'll be pulling for you against the Gators and Mr AnnoyingManinaDress.

I was replying to the thread as a whole not just your comments. I believe one poster did use the 9 out of 10 line, or perhaps I am just crazy and imagined it.

I understand that people do not like our match up with Florida. It's hard to argue with that when you got your only ass beating all season from them. On the other hand I do think we have improved greatly, while Florida remains largely the same. I don't buy into the both teams are different argument. Florida has been a great team all season that got lazy at times, and they still are that.

I am hopeful that our match up problems with the bigs of Florida will turn out like our match up problems with Jeff Green. Also we really really really need to guard Humphrey. If he gets a lot of open looks at three I will be dissapointed. Does the guy ever shoot a 2 point field goal? You know what is coming, but it seems hard to stop him anyhow.

[dajuan]

No amount of statistics will ever make me think that we shouldn't have beaten OSU and that we wouldn't beat them 6 times out of 10.