Boz
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Post by Boz on Mar 26, 2007 15:01:41 GMT -5
Guys, it's time. Time to pay the man. Maybe not the market rate but certainly more than now. And time to build the darn on-campus facility. He has said that's what it will take to keep him. So build the building already- it's time. It's time. Thank you, Mike Seaver! (sorry, YB, I couldn't help myself - the classic "Boner joins the Army" episode just screamed at me there) ;D But I think we all agree that JTIII has more than earned a big bump and an extension. I am sure that GU will do the right thing.
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Post by bostonhoyas on Mar 26, 2007 15:04:28 GMT -5
First thing DeGioa should have done as JTIII got off that bus was hand him a new paycheck with six zeros on it well i hope there was another number in front of those zeros, otherwise that is just a mean joke.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 26, 2007 15:07:50 GMT -5
Look at what Nova did for Jay Wright last year before the regular season even ended. A couple of days after the UConn home win they ponied up.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Mar 26, 2007 15:25:29 GMT -5
Why is everyone so adamant that JT3 should get an extension. Don't we remember what happened to the last guy that got a public show of support in the form of an extension?
Modified to note: Yes, I'm kidding.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 26, 2007 18:58:55 GMT -5
Guys, it's time. Time to pay the man. Maybe not the market rate but certainly more than now. And time to build the darn on-campus facility. He has said that's what it will take to keep him. So build the building already- it's time. It's time. Thank you, Mike Seaver! (sorry, YB, I couldn't help myself - the classic "Boner joins the Army" episode just screamed at me there) ;D But I think we all agree that JTIII has more than earned a big bump and an extension. I am sure that GU will do the right thing. The University, Hoyas Unlimited and the HHC need to stop talking about this and act on it. Set up a facilities account and a JTIII fund. If the University doesn't take advantage of the huge groundswell of support that this week will bring, it's a travesty. Set up an account and let people start earmarking dollars to build out our facilities and keep III happy. We've been saying it for way too long. Someone in power needs to act of this. I'll donate if they do.
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Post by edstimes on Mar 26, 2007 19:14:11 GMT -5
Why is everyone so adamant that JT3 should get an extension. Don't we remember what happened to the last guy that got a public show of support in the form of an extension? A silly, juvenile comparison. Edited.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 26, 2007 19:16:52 GMT -5
yes much more period go hoyas beat ohio state eat the bannana
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Mar 26, 2007 19:40:13 GMT -5
Guys, it's time. Time to pay the man. Maybe not the market rate but certainly more than now. And time to build the darn on-campus facility. He has said that's what it will take to keep him. So build the building already- it's time. It's time. I've been in favor of an on-campus stadium for a while, but boy, if we can lock down JTIII for a long time, and success follows for a long time, then the fan base will swell a lot. If we have a 6,000 seat on-campus arena, Georgetown games are going to be awful hard to get tickets to. Despite all the pains of Phonebooth travel, I'd sooner deal with getting to a downtown arena than not have tickets at all.
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YB
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Post by YB on Mar 26, 2007 19:51:06 GMT -5
the arena may be more important. Let's git er done!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 26, 2007 20:00:16 GMT -5
First of all, JTIII is his own man.
Second of all, JT2 is not a mouthpiece for JTIII.
3rd, JT2 and JTIII are two different people. JT2 may be driven by money, but we don't know what JTIII is driven by.
Yes, JT2 is fighting for his son to get money.
But, can G-town afford to compete with the major players in the game?
I really don't think so. Not now, and not for the near future.
G-town is what it is. JTIII loves this place. And he loves the fact that his family is here for support.
Every place has its shortcomings. And not everyone is driven by money.
I seriously doubt him taking off for another job soley based on money. He doesn't strike me as that type of guy. I could be wrong, but I'm not worried about it. It is a business.
Go Hoyas, and focus on the Final Four.
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Post by The Stig on Mar 26, 2007 20:08:13 GMT -5
JT2 will always do whatever he can to get what he thinks is best for his son. You can't blame him for that.
In order to keep JTIII for sure the University needs to start pushing some money towards the basketball program. That could come in the form of paying JTIII a market rate or getting serious about a modern on-campus facility - I think either of those would be enough to convince JTIII to stay for a very long time. Either way they have to demonstrate some sort of long-term financial commitment to the basketball program.
It's the 100th year of Georgetown basketball and we're in the Final Four, so if the money (at least the start of it) isn't there then there's something seriously wrong with our alumni base.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2007 21:51:46 GMT -5
Pay the man and take the steps to keep the program at this level. That is all. Less talk more press releases announcing that action has been taken.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2007 22:27:40 GMT -5
What did joey brown do?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 26, 2007 22:44:01 GMT -5
SPH, we haven't even had press releases. The time for "facilities reviews" has expired, and it is put up or shut up time for our administration.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 26, 2007 22:45:45 GMT -5
What did joey brown do? ;D
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Mar 26, 2007 22:46:00 GMT -5
SPH, we haven't even had press releases. The time for "facilities reviews" has expired, and it is put up or shut up time for our administration. Agreed, some programs spend millions to get to this point - we've done it on the cheap so far - but if we don't pay up we'll find ourselves back where we came from almost as quickly and that is unconscionable.
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Post by doublehoya on Mar 26, 2007 22:47:25 GMT -5
I get a kick out of reading this thread, and then hopping over to the ticket thread where people are talking about "extortion" because Georgetown is actually trying to (God Forbid!!) PROFIT (!) off of the Team's incredible Final Four run instead of subsidizing every good little fan's trip to Atlanta.
These topics are inextricably intertwined, friends. Absent (and even along with, really) an enormous donation ($100 MM or so) Georgetown is going to have to try to make money on its basketball program if it wants to grown its basketball program. I am amazed that peopel realize the importance of locking down JTIII while we can (either by giving him a big contract or showing him a legitimate commitment to a substantial facilities upgread, or better, both) but also complain when the season ticket prices go up and the University tries to make money on travel packages.
It seems like we all agree that the program needs more money to sustain this level of success, but when the hat is passed around, many of us are all to willing to leave our wallets in our pocket. That's sad, and it is a recipe for mediocrity. We have to stop acting like free riders, and accept that if we want success, we have to invest in the program.
I for one want the Eshrick years to be the anomaly in G'town's bb history. I never again want an AD of this University to be able to say with a straight face that expecting to go to the NCAA tournament ever year is an unreasonable expectation. Unfortunately, if we as a fan base act as if "Someone else" should always be picking up the tab, 15 years from now we will all talk about the good ol' days when we had McD AAs lining up to play here, when the Final 4 was a reality, not a dream, and when we were the kings of the Big East. JTIII will be the anomaly, and mediocrity will be the rule. Complaining about the price of the offered final 4 package will sound pretty silly then, when we are duking it out with Holy Cross in the Patriot league.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2007 22:52:37 GMT -5
Doublehoya: the HHC is not making any money on the travel packages. Whatever money is being made is by the Athletic Department & Anthony Travel. I doubt any of us have any problem with money going to the program.
My problem with the "process" has been twofold: it was sprung without any notice that the ONLY way to get tickets would be to pay a premium for a room that one might not need or want and there is no indication about who exactly is making the money here. Do you have an clue what the split is? I would be much happier paying for Final Four tickets and giving an extra donation to the Program than paying a travel agent for something I neither need nor want.
As for paying the coach, I contend he is sharp enough to negotiate for what he wants / needs and I believe that the University leadership is smart enough to realize his value and make it work. The other issues you mention obviously need to be fixed but that is not going to happen by overcharging people for travel packages.
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Post by doublehoya on Mar 26, 2007 23:07:29 GMT -5
Dan -- I changed HHC to University -- point taken, but frankly not a material distinction given the restructuring of the HHC by AD Muir.
I agree with some of the criticism of the process, but I think we need to realize that we are not Florida, or UCLA, or OSU. We are Georgetown. That isn't just a cheer, that is a harsh economic fact that mean the AD has to try to make money when it can, because it does not have a gigantic state-supported budget. I hope everyone who wants to go to the final four can go, and I think that, by the end of the week, Georgetown will be selling tickets-only packages (total guess on my part, btw).
Finally, I agree that coach is smart, and that the leadership on the 3rd floor of Healy are smart, but "making it work" requires money -- something in short supply at Georgetown.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2007 23:14:41 GMT -5
Double: we are not that far apart regarding the monetary needs of the program in all its facets. I know many HHC members who would be more than willing to give more if concrete goals and targets for the money were proposed and they knew action would result.
That said, the ticketing process has been bungled along the way by lack of communication and not even a whiff of flexibility or explanation. If people knew what to expect up front there would be far less problems. There will always be some people who are unsatisfied but that is unavoidable. I too hope that tickets only packages will eventually be available, but by the time that happens most flights to the area will likely be prohibitively expensive for many people.
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