casualhoya
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Post by casualhoya on Mar 26, 2007 13:17:33 GMT -5
Ohio St: Xavier, Tennessee, Memphis
Hoyas: BC, Vandy, North Carolina
All 3 of our opponents had been ranked in top 25 and UNC was a former #1
Big East schedule v. Big Ten schedule.
Come on.
Casually.
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Post by HoyaDestroya02 on Mar 26, 2007 13:22:35 GMT -5
Both played tough schedules... we all know that rankings mean nothing. one game at a time.
captain casual
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Post by dajuan on Mar 26, 2007 13:51:36 GMT -5
It's actually pretty impressive that OSU only has lost at North Carolina, at Florida and at Wisconsin. I won't hate on their schedule.
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Post by bupride on Mar 26, 2007 14:04:30 GMT -5
did someone say travelled?
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Mar 26, 2007 14:05:28 GMT -5
is that you Bayless?
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 26, 2007 14:17:20 GMT -5
did someone say travelled? Are you an OSU fan now that we've knocked your other two "favorite" teams out of the tourney?
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Post by bupride on Mar 26, 2007 14:30:45 GMT -5
did someone say travelled? Are you an OSU fan now that we've knocked your other two "favorite" teams out of the tourney? calm down, little camper, just making a little joke. no need to get defensive. actually if you noticed in the thread i started this morning i was rooting very hard for you on sunday and will continue to do so throughout the tourney.
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Post by cicero on Mar 26, 2007 14:33:41 GMT -5
Both teams have beaten some good opponents and lost to some good opponents. Conference has little to do with it. These are two good teams from good schools.
GO BUCKS!!
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 26, 2007 14:59:44 GMT -5
Are you an OSU fan now that we've knocked your other two "favorite" teams out of the tourney? calm down, little camper, just making a little joke. no need to get defensive. actually if you noticed in the thread i started this morning i was rooting very hard for you on sunday and will continue to do so throughout the tourney. Little camper? Edited off. "Fans" like you drive me crazy. Your two favorite programs were knocked out of the tourney by GU, yet you pull for us to win? Which team is your team, all of them??? Edit: And just to be clear - insider.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney07/insider/columns/story?columnist=bilas_jay&id=2812690&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2Take a Walk to the Rulebook: I was in San Jose for the West Regional, so I watched the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game in the East Regional from afar. When Jeff Green hit the game-winning shot for the Hoyas, I did not believe that he traveled. When I heard different commentators from the different networks say with a great degree of certainty that Green had walked and the officials had missed it, I disagreed.
What Green did was a legal move and is, in fact, taught by many coaches. Green did a simple step-through move that is used in up-and-under moves and in the use of a hook shot, and is legal. I went to the Rule Book, to Rule 4, Article 66, Section 4(a), which states that once a player establishes his pivot foot, the pivot foot may leave the floor as long as it is not brought back to the floor before the ball is released. Green established his right foot as his pivot foot, pivoted, and went up for the shot off his left foot. All of that was completely legal under the rules.
It may have looked like a traveling violation to some, but it was not. When such a move is called as a travel, most coaches argue to the officials that it was a missed call.
The only argument regarding a violation that has any merit, in my judgment, is the view that Green moved his right pivot foot well before he got into his move. However, that was only visible super close-up and in slow motion. It was nearly impossible to see in real time.
I have heard some say the officials couldn't call a walk in that situation because the players are supposed to decide the outcome of the game that late in the game. I disagree. If Green had walked and it was called, the players would have decided it. But Green did not walk. What he did was a legal move under the rules. Not everyone, including me, knows the rules as well as they perhaps should, but the officials generally do. I think they got it right in the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 26, 2007 15:00:03 GMT -5
Both teams have beaten some good opponents and lost to some good opponents. Conference has little to do with it. These are two good teams from good schools. GO BUCKS!! That Andrew Bogut is an interesting character, isn't he?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Mar 26, 2007 15:28:57 GMT -5
Both teams have beaten some good opponents and lost to some good opponents. Conference has little to do with it. These are two good teams from good schools. GO BUCKS!! Right, conference strength and schedule have nothing to do with this game. Just like they had nothing to do with this, right?
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Post by bupride on Mar 26, 2007 16:25:52 GMT -5
calm down, little camper, just making a little joke. no need to get defensive. actually if you noticed in the thread i started this morning i was rooting very hard for you on sunday and will continue to do so throughout the tourney. Little camper? Edited off. "Fans" like you drive me crazy. Your two favorite programs were knocked out of the tourney by GU, yet you pull for us to win? Which team is your team, all of them??? [/i][/quote] wow, a little on edge there big man? i will address what seem to be you two main complaints: a) as i stated earlier in the week (or last week, i can't remember which), i have grown up a dyed in the wool vandy fan my entire life. as a matter of fact i sit here in my office staring at a bookshelf full of vu stuff and a complete wall of vandy pictures. i have had vandy season tickets in football and basketball forever and have recently added season tickets in baseball. on the other hand, i played college basketball at belmont under coach byrd. i was not offered a scholarship at vandy and was too poor to walk on. my years at belmont were four of the best years of my life and i will always be a fan of belmont. i make it to as may games as i can between vandy games (both schools are less than 2 miles from my house). i respond to this only because i can't stand it when people have multiple teams they cheer for, but keep in mind, not only do i have an intimate connection with both schools, but the two programs are on completely different levels. bu has on been d-1 for 8 years and even now, they play in the 20-something ranked conference in the country. i do not pick and choose which schools to be a fan of, they have chosen me and i will not apologize for it. thus far my ability to be a fan of either school has not been compromised by my fandom of the other, and i pray it remains as such. having said that, despite wearing the belmont blue and red, i will always be a vandy fan at heart. b) i'm not quite sure why my rooting for gu angers you. i have stated here several times that over the past few weeks i have been incredibly impressed with the quality of your caoch, your players and your program, especially the way they carry themselves off the court. i have been nothing but respectful to the program and the fans n the past few weeks and, in return, the vast majority of the fans on this board have been nothing but respectful to me. as far as the walk goes, i didn't bring it up when i congratulated gu and wished you luck in the F4, and i was just trying to make a little joke here. unfortunately, some of you seem to take jokes a bit seriously. since you have relied on the wisdom of jay bilas (which FWIW i do love when fans completely roast certain media persons when they say something bad about their school, but rely on others as a final authority when they say something they like), i will stand on what coach stallings said about the call: it was a walk, there is a photo series on vu's rivals site that proves that unequivically. having said taht, i echo coach stallings sentiments when he said taht the refs are out there doing just like the players and the coaches, which is the best they can. i think in general it was a very well officiated game and i can't blame anyone for missing a call when you consider the speed these guys are playing. you did not hear one vandy player, nor one vandy coach use that call as an excuse and i won't either. that was a great game played by two great teams taht both deserved to win. it will go down in my personal archives as one of the best and i'm not going to let that be spoiled by focusing on one call.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 26, 2007 16:46:11 GMT -5
bu, for some reason, folks here are somewhat xenophobic. I don't know why.
As for the "walk" I think it is pretty simple.
The "walk" that everyone is talking about was not a walk. You can have your pivot foot as your right foot, lift it, and shoot. This is your one step. Heck, layups would be walks if this is not true. This is the action that got Jeff his shot.
Now immediately previous to this, Jeff shuffled his right foot maybe half an inch. This is a fairly common occurrence with post players and while technically a walk, is almost never called.
Why not? Because 90% of the time it gains no real advantage and is actually caused by contact from the defender.
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Post by bupride on Mar 26, 2007 16:51:17 GMT -5
i agree completely about the walk (other than i think he shuffled his right foot a bit farther than a half an inch, but who's counting ). the bottom line is, based on photographic evidence it was technically a walk, but it's almost impossible to see in real time unless you are looking specifically at his feet and the refs have a thousand things they have to be looking at in that moment. i can't blame the refs because when it comes down to it, walk or not, JG still had to hit a tough shot over two defenders and he did. it cut deep, and i won't be able to watch the game for quite a while, but like a said, it was a great game played by two teams that showed a ton of heart. good luck on saturday, if it's okay with JohnJacquesLayup, i'll be cheering you on.
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PDRHoya99
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Mar 26, 2007 16:57:08 GMT -5
b) i'm not quite sure why my rooting for gu angers you. BU - I'm with you, there is no shame in hoping the team that takes you out in the tourney does well. This board makes a habit of following the fortunes of teams we have beaten and lost to throughout the regular season under the heading "Games of Interest", and your well wishes to the Hoyas are no different. I for one thought it was pretty cool that a handful of Oregon fans stuck around the sportsbar to cheer on the Hoyas yesterday, even if it was only because we lost to them earlier this year. Frankly, when I look at a final four where our opponent turns out more new alumni in a single year than we do in a decade, I'll take all the fans I can get.
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bubbrubbhoya
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Mar 26, 2007 17:32:59 GMT -5
Are you an OSU fan now that we've knocked your other two "favorite" teams out of the tourney? calm down, little camper, just making a little joke. no need to get defensive. actually if you noticed in the thread i started this morning i was rooting very hard for you on sunday and will continue to do so throughout the tourney. If I recall correctly, bupride was the most reasonable of the Vandy guys after the phantom travel. I count him as a friend of the Hoyas. As long as he doesn't become hifi-2, I've got no problem. Thanks for rooting for the Hoyas, bupride.
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SoCalHoya
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Post by SoCalHoya on Mar 26, 2007 17:55:52 GMT -5
Sounds like we just had a miscommunication. bupride has been a good opponent-poster, I don't think he meant any harm.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Mar 26, 2007 18:11:21 GMT -5
bupride, please forgive any belligerence you have encountered. the views expressed dont represent those of the board. one thing though. it seems you still think green walked because he moved his right foot about 6 inches. i would agree with you if it were not for the fact that the reason green moved his foot 6 inches is because he had stepped on fosters foot as he went to put his weight on his heel. and foster yanked his foot out, causing green to move his foot forward. so if your foot moves due to the actions of an opposing player, its not a travel. you have to closely review the magnified cbs frames of greens feet to see this. i have done this and the evidence is incontrovertible. fosters reaction to the foot stepping proves it. i hope this makes you and the other vandy fans feel better that you were not cheated of a victory. read more here hoyatalk2.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1174705828&page=7
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 26, 2007 19:00:38 GMT -5
PJ2, I don't think it helps any of the Vandy fans.
I read their board and it looks like BUPride is one of about four Vandy posters who know anything about basketball. There are 120+ potential calls every game, and all the Vandy posters are convinced that they got screwed on ALL of them.
They are also bitching about calls in football games and apparently a game against Michigan in 1965. Let...it...go, losers.
For some reason I thought Vandy would be more rational. I know it's still close to the game. They got Jeff and Roy into foul trouble early, they got handed the lead without having to play offense, but for some reason no one chooses to acknowledge that.
Most disappointing about their fan base is that several of them have chosen to impugn the morals and intelligence of our players and coaches. Quality. The majority doesn't speak for everyone, but given Vandy's academic rep, I expected more "Refs don't lose games" posts and less "Vanderbilt should hang an Elite Eight banner -- Screw the NCAA!"
In contrast, remember that there was a similar call last year in the Sweet Sixteen, when Corey Brewer may or may not have travelled. There was some talk, but not this level of whining. Another reason I'm glad I'm a Hoya fan.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 26, 2007 19:46:55 GMT -5
good luck on saturday, if it's okay with JohnJacquesLayup, i'll be cheering you on. No. Your attempt at humor is just another thinly-veiled potshot at the accomplishments of one of our favorite Hoyas. You discredit Jeff's game-winning shot, yet proclaim your support for the GU team? You love BU and Vandy, yet root for the team that sent them both home? Grow a pair, stand by your assertion (although categorically false), and hate us for it!
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