RE: Officiating, i.e Curtis Shaw is terrible!

[David Brent]

Thanks to Tom Knott of the Wash times for pointing out that Curtis Shaw is a grade-A boob who has no business anywhere near a Hoya (or any other) game of this magnitude.

www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20070326-125146-3841r.htm

I mean, isn't this the guy who almost annually used to win the unflattering distinction of being voted the worst official in the Big East in the Syracuse Post-Standard coaches survey? I've seen enough games now to know what is what when it comes to officials, and Curtis Shaw is just terrible. give me Corbett, kitts, driscoll, or even Valentine instead of this boob.

[DrumsGoBang]

What was up with that T in the first half?

[TigerHoya]

"Bench decorum issue" according to shaw

sounds like he supposedly warned JTIII to get back into the coaches box 3 times according to one article

had to be more to it than that IMO

[TBird41]

tigerhoya said:

"Bench decorum issue" according to shaw

sounds like he supposedly warned JTIII to get back into the coaches box 3 times according to one article

had to be more to it than that IMO

Figures that out of all the coaches, JT3 would be the one to get in trouble for going on the floor.

[DrumsGoBang]

Most time this board complains that the refs were out to get us, and we don't get any good calls. This was the first game I actually belived that to be true. We did foul UNC a lot, but they did not call the same when we had the ball. That Technical foul was bull!

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

I concur. Roy's 2nd was a phantom call and with all the banging inside, they needed to even it out. The free throw disparity was outrageous.

[Eurostar]

they helped us out with some calls in overtime, but before that was atrocious. i guess after the last 2 games ive realized as long as they give you the calls in the end thats all that matters!

[PopeJohn2]

its one thing for reporters to have a personal issue with us, but a ref? whoever is in charge of assigning refs surely must pay attention to these things.

it was the most lobsided ft disparity i have seen in any game. it was pretty obvious unc was held to a much lower standard in terms of what constituted a foul. thanks goes to the fans for getting on the refs as much as they did as it really turned things around and could have been the difference in the game.

[dsd25]

minionhoya said:

they helped us out with some calls in overtime, but before that was atrocious. i guess after the last 2 games ive realized as long as they give you the calls in the end thats all that matters!

I wouldn't say that they helped us out with calls as much as they finally stopped calling everything that happened. They let the players play and all of a sudden, without the charity points to rely on, North Carolina was in trouble. It was nice to see the shift in officiating.

[The Stig]

It wasn't as much the foul disparity that bugged me as much as the way the refs were calling the fouls. A lot of ticky-tacky stuff on us, while missing big things against them. A lot of little things also didn't go our way.

One big example was when one of our guys (I think it was Roy) was fouled while he was clearly shooting, but the refs didn't give us free throws. UNC stole it away, and got a thundering put-back dunk on the other end. Aside from the points swing (probably 4 points) it was a huge momentum swing against us.

But in the end it all evens out. It did against Vandy, and it came close enough to evening out against UNC.

[HfieldHoya08]

drumsgobang said:

What was up with that T in the first half?

I heard it also had to do with the fact that our players who were on the bench were standing, which is apparently a little-enforced rule. I've never really seen it enforced - a game wouldn't be a Hoya game without Sead standing up and cheering on the other guys.

[hoyasexy]

According to the article, the Big East avoids scheduling Shaw for Hoyas games. First of all, I wonder why the NCAA can't do the same. That said, I wonder why there are any Big East officials in this game at all. Shouldn't the officiating crew be chosen from conferences that aren't represented in the game?

[HfieldHoya08]

You would think they would make an effort to make it as un-biased as possible. Instead we got a ref who reportedly HATES Georgetown? I think that scheduling a ref who is known to be avoided for scheduling by any major conference shouldn't get to ref in some of the MOST important games of the SEASON.

[DonkDonk]

I also think that with our D collapses so well - and more often than other teams - where we have two guys contesting shots and often refs are more apt to blow the whistle when things look congested.

I'm glad they swallowed their whistles late because if they hadn't and called the game the same as they had earlier, we would have lost. and I firmly believe we outplayed them over the majority of the game not just the last 9 mins and overtime.

[David Brent]

i don't think Curtis Shaw hates Georgetown - he just sucks.

Worst BE official according to assistant coaches:

From Syracuse Post-Standard (3/7/2006):

So in The Post-Standard's seventh annual poll, staff writers Kim Baxter and Mike Waters asked assistant coaches in the league for their thoughts on the conference. And their answers, which are unfiltered thanks to the Witness Protection-like anonymity we promised them, may surprise you.

....


Best official? Mike Kitts. Guess the Big East assistants didn't care that he tossed Jim Boeheim from an exhibition game. Jim Burr and Reggie Greenwood are the only other officials to receive multiple votes.

Worst official? Curtis Shaw. Interestingly, Ted Hillary and Gary Prager both received a vote for Best Official and Worst Official.

The question remains - how does a guy with this type of reputation end up reffing a regional final???

[GIGAFAN99]

Here's some inside info: Shaw started on JTIII BEFORE THE GAME. He asked him what Roy was wearing on his arm (a neoprene sleeve) and Shaw told him he couldn't wear it unless he was injured or it was a violation. So of course JTIII said "He's injured."

What a jerk.

[regalmeans]

I'm confused about why they had an ACC ref and at BE ref at this game at ALL - isn't that sort of asking for problems? Why not a PAC 10, Big 10, SEC, Conference USA, Conference WHATEVER ref.

What's worse about this? I hate to reference Feinstein (shudder) but I read his chapter on reffing in "Last Dance" and it talks about how refs are chosen, how only the best are invited, then only the best of the best move on to ref in later rounds etc- - all of which just goes to make it even more ridiculous that Shaw was in our game.

That said, I love that G'town played 5 on 8 and still owned it. No one can say we didn't win decisively, no one can question what the team accomplished last night.

[regalmeans]

gigafan99 said:

Here's some inside info: Shaw started on JTIII BEFORE THE GAME. He asked him what Roy was wearing on his arm (a neoprene sleeve) and Shaw told him he couldn't wear it unless he was injured or it was a violation. So of course JTIII said "He's injured."

What a jerk.

WTF? What Shaw just trying to cite every obscure rule in the world against us? Roy has worn that sleeve in tons of games... that sounds just as BS as the "players can't stand up" rule. Nitpicking.

[HoyaSpirit]

Even better ? is - how does a guy with this type of reputation get paid and not get fired? It's not hard to review how officials do - it's right there on the tape for everyone to see. There has to be some kind of standard.

I think someone should take a game tape and clip the fouls that Shaw called against us, and all the exact same situations (or worse) where he didn't call them when we were on offense and send a copy to both ncaa headquarters and big east headquarters to make in unmistakably clear how off track he is. Also send a copy to our AD and to JT3 so they can use it next fall in talking to the league.

If the BE office ends up watching it, it could earn us an extra victory each year for the next 8 years straight if he only officiates 3 of our games instead of say 6 per year.

[ExcitableBoy]

Two items:

The NCAA did have officials evaluators at the game yesterday. I'm not sure what, exactly, they do with their evaluations, but there were at least two there for yesterday's game.

Also, as someone who is often forced to stand at the Verizon center in order to see over the other team when they stand up during the game, the "bench decorum" foul is pure BS. I have no problem with anyone standing at a sporting event and, with limited exception, neither should the vast majority of true fans. Erego, Shaw isn't a true sports fan.