GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 26, 2007 22:16:35 GMT -5
...how we were outcoached, outhustled, and outplayed playing the 3rd game in six days on senior night in the Carrier Dome on a short turnaround after a physical and emotional win to take the conference lead. But then I check this board and I realize that now that this team has only won 11 of 12 instead of 12 in a row, we are deeply flawed. I'm glad to be enlightened. Come on people. I hate the Orange as much as the next guy and it's always a tough loss. But let's get real. This team was dying out there. They had no legs at all and they tried to fight through it. I guess 3 wins in 3 days at the Garden will be too much to ask for. It will if the opponent gets to play at home and is playing its second game in three days after a week layoff and we're playing in our third different city in six days. But I checked the schedule: they're all at the Garden and everyone has to play the same amount of games (hey wait, we might even have one fewer game to play). So I think we're OK. |
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 26, 2007 22:18:01 GMT -5
Rock on GIGA, rock on.
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HoyaInsomniac
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Post by HoyaInsomniac on Feb 26, 2007 22:21:19 GMT -5
Absolutely. Keep on movin'.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 26, 2007 22:22:38 GMT -5
When I see 3 games / 3 days / our 3 juniors / JT 3
I don't see chance / I see providence.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 22:23:37 GMT -5
Basketball players are some of the finest conditioned athletes in the world and 18-22 kids are "fatigued" by playing basketball? What do they do in offseason? What do they do in Tournament play?
You NEVER make excuses for losing. Excuses are for losers. Despite an awful night shooting--Hoyas were down 1 point with under 10 to go in game--Syracuse was playing on 1 day rest and so were we--you find a way to gut it out. It's also why depth is so important--deeper your team is with players/talent, better chances to prevent days like this--odds of having an entire team cold for one game usually happen once/twice a year--but at this time of year--with a deep, talented team, you compete/make shots when more guys are capable--and especially when they are capable of creating offense.
If you are not shooting--get stops--and Hoyas didn't do that. Credit goes to Cuse and they took it to us tonight. Nothing you can do--but officiating and "tired legs" are not the reason--it was just one of those nights and our best player played timid and bad ball for first time in over a month--and it hurt team's chances of winning tonight. That can't happen again.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 26, 2007 22:37:36 GMT -5
Basketball players are some of the finest conditioned athletes in the world and 18-22 kids are "fatigued" by playing basketball? What do they do in offseason? What do they do in Tournament play? You NEVER make excuses for losing. Excuses are for losers. Despite an awful night shooting--Hoyas were down 1 point with under 10 to go in game--Syracuse was playing on 1 day rest and so were we--you find a way to gut it out. It's also why depth is so important--deeper your team is with players/talent, better chances to prevent days like this--odds of having an entire team cold for one game usually happen once/twice a year--but at this time of year--with a deep, talented team, you compete/make shots when more guys are capable--and especially when they are capable of creating offense. If you are not shooting--get stops--and Hoyas didn't do that. Credit goes to Cuse and they took it to us tonight. Nothing you can do--but officiating and "tired legs" are not the reason--it was just one of those nights and our best player played timid and bad ball for first time in over a month--and it hurt team's chances of winning tonight. That can't happen again. Oh get over it. Really, anyone who acts like travelling from Cincy Wednesday night back to DC for a Saturday afternoon game and then up to Syracuse for a Monday game is anything CLOSE to a post-season tournament schedule is just plain stupid. You fly in on Tuesday or Wednesday, play Thursday and Saturday (or Friday and Sunday) at NEUTRAL sites in the SAME damn city and then get a day of travel and three full days of rest/practice to do the same thing all over again. Two games in three days with no travel has no fatigue factor at all. The same goes for the Garden where everyone has the same number of games and don't have to travel at all and play at a neutral site. Everyone is in the same boat. Excuses are for "losers" if I were playing. And yeah, I had to smile and act like we never lost a game because we were tired way back when. And these kids should do the same. It doesn't change the fact that their performance was so insanely below their normal output on the third leg of this grueling schedule that any reasonable person couldn't chalk it up to fatigue. Ignoring the obvious and "acting tough" doesn't do anything. If they come out looking this way Saturday, start talking. Otherwise, I find fatigue a more compelling reason than "just wasn't our night" which pretty much means I have to believe our entire team just went cold simultaneously for absolutely NO reason. Yeah right. |
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hoyatables
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 26, 2007 22:41:47 GMT -5
Basketball players are some of the finest conditioned athletes in the world and 18-22 kids are "fatigued" by playing basketball? What do they do in offseason? What do they do in Tournament play? You NEVER make excuses for losing. Excuses are for losers. Despite an awful night shooting--Hoyas were down 1 point with under 10 to go in game--Syracuse was playing on 1 day rest and so were we--you find a way to gut it out. It's also why depth is so important--deeper your team is with players/talent, better chances to prevent days like this--odds of having an entire team cold for one game usually happen once/twice a year--but at this time of year--with a deep, talented team, you compete/make shots when more guys are capable--and especially when they are capable of creating offense. If you are not shooting--get stops--and Hoyas didn't do that. Credit goes to Cuse and they took it to us tonight. Nothing you can do--but officiating and "tired legs" are not the reason--it was just one of those nights and our best player played timid and bad ball for first time in over a month--and it hurt team's chances of winning tonight. That can't happen again. Yeah, they outplayed us. No one is saying that fatigue is an excuse. But when a team wins 11 in a row -- even when down at the half or into the second half -- and then doesn't pull it out, it could be one of a number of explanations for the loss. I just think we were outplayed by the team with more heart and desire. This time. Next week, we own them. What a classless bunch of punks. Devendorf in particular -- no milkshakes for him. |
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 26, 2007 22:44:51 GMT -5
Sometimes you give up a pawn to capture a rook.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 26, 2007 22:46:37 GMT -5
While I agree with the overall message of the original post, I also agree with RDF and using fatigue as an excuse. Syracuse had everyone of their starters(except Roberts) play more minutes on Saturday than our guys did. Jeff played 30 minutes against Pitt.....Roy played 28. Most of SU's starters played 37-39 minutes. I think a bigger factor was that the pressure of the streak, the BE championship looming, the dome atmosphere on senior night and the fact that we haven't won in that building in over a decade all got into the team's head and they played tighter than (insert lewd comparison here). I'm sure the fatigue both teams had added to our miserable shooting, but it was not THE reason for our loss. OK, I said I was going to bed in another thread and I better do it now before I find my self here madly typing away at 3AM!!
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 22:50:09 GMT -5
Actually we won in Dome in Braswell's SR year--as he had a spectacular all around game and Sweetney was fantastic as well, but get your point.
Thing is--it's over now. Nothing you can do but remember the feeling-how sick it makes you feel and be happy we've got games ahead--afterall, from here on out, it only takes a 10 game winning streak to make everyone smile the widest they have in a long time. ;D
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mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Feb 26, 2007 23:07:27 GMT -5
Basketball players are some of the finest conditioned athletes in the world and 18-22 kids are "fatigued" by playing basketball? What do they do in offseason? What do they do in Tournament play? You NEVER make excuses for losing. Excuses are for losers. Despite an awful night shooting--Hoyas were down 1 point with under 10 to go in game--Syracuse was playing on 1 day rest and so were we--you find a way to gut it out. It's also why depth is so important--deeper your team is with players/talent, better chances to prevent days like this--odds of having an entire team cold for one game usually happen once/twice a year--but at this time of year--with a deep, talented team, you compete/make shots when more guys are capable--and especially when they are capable of creating offense. If you are not shooting--get stops--and Hoyas didn't do that. Credit goes to Cuse and they took it to us tonight. Nothing you can do--but officiating and "tired legs" are not the reason--it was just one of those nights and our best player played timid and bad ball for first time in over a month--and it hurt team's chances of winning tonight. That can't happen again. i just can not believe what i am reading from u tonight |
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 26, 2007 23:56:09 GMT -5
Sometimes you give up a pawn to capture a rook. Post of the night. |
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Post by JPM32 on Feb 27, 2007 0:22:58 GMT -5
Losing this game sucked and the 2H was very painful to watch but in the grand scheme of things this loss doesn't hurt us that much.
I'd much rather lose tonight than lose next week or in 2 weeks.... Still gonna be the #1 seed at MSG next week, still gonna get a high seed in the Big Dance.... Just need to put this win behind us and whup up on UConn on Saturday.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Feb 27, 2007 8:28:22 GMT -5
Sometimes you give up a pawn to capture a rook. Post of the night. err, yeah, if we were playing chess. its not like we played our 2nd team to rest our starters like they do at the end of the baseball season. all these posts about how it was good that we lost last nite or that it didnt matter annoy the crap out of me. the assertion is ridiculous and i suggest you seek psychological help for being in a state of such denial and rationalization. you must be in severe emotional stress and suffering from post traumatic stress disorder to think such crazy crazy thoughts. it would be better to say it was an unfortunate loss. lets call it for what it is. get out of the denial and move on. |
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Feb 27, 2007 8:40:51 GMT -5
Three things I learned on Hoya Talk over the last 24 hours.
1. Gerry McNamara and Carl Krauser are all-heart.
2. We should have been storming the court arm in arm with the Syracuse fans to celebrate last nights loss.
3. The biggest obstacle to the Hoyas post-season success will be narcolepsy.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 27, 2007 9:16:19 GMT -5
When I see 3 games / 3 days / our 3 juniors / JT 3 I don't see chance / I see providence. I'd like to see Providence too. I think we match up well  . |
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 27, 2007 9:39:01 GMT -5
HoyaSAXA, we're all crying tonight. Except my wife: now that the streak is over, I'm letting her change the sheets. It desn't matter, I'll probably wet 'em having nightmares about this loss. God I hate those Orange bastards.. haha, I'm the same way. Now I can wash my WAG shirt. Yes, it's true...I haven't washed it since before January 13th. I can smell it. It's kinda gross actually but, hey, superstitions are superstitions. Ditto. My WAG shirt (with Duke face paint stain still somehow on it despite washings) and undershirt are rank man. Just nasty. I don't sweat like CAHoya, but I still get a decent workout jumping up and down all game. Now that I can actually choose what to wear again, I think I'm going to bring the Roy jersey back out of retirement. I don't wear it enough, plus, I'm sure it will help remind the team to feed the Ravenous Beast. ;D |
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 27, 2007 9:50:49 GMT -5
Look at UNC and Florida. They lost recently to inferior teams. It happens. The environment was ripe for the upset. We battled and then ran out of gas. It is not the end of the world. Let's take care of UCONN and then rock the BE tourney.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Feb 27, 2007 10:04:51 GMT -5
great post megafan...100% in agreement with you..we actually played pretty well in the first half..they were on fire from beyond the arc...tough loss but we're still a contender to bring down the nets no doubt
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 27, 2007 11:02:03 GMT -5
The sky isn't falling - it's just that our shots weren't.
We had lots of shots that we usually make, both from 3 and from inside. Last night they just didn't fall in the 2nd half. This is basketball - things like that happen sometimes. Unfortunately for us, it happened at the same time that Syracuse started shooting the lights out. It's not that our defense sucked - it's just that they made the shots (including some very lucky ones). It was like they were shooting on a 20-foot wide rim, and we were shooting on a 20 millimeter wide rim.
Ultimately things like that just happen, and we were due. Better to have it happen now than in the BET or in the NCAA's. I'm sure the coaches will find all sorts of stuff to work on from the tape, and if a game like that doesn't light a fire under our players nothing will.
I'm sure JTIII and the players won't spend much time whining about what happened last night. They'll learn the lessons from the game, then put it behind them and look forwards. I think we'd be well advised to do the same here on this board.
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