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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 26, 2007 11:22:09 GMT -5
Long before I was a Hoya, I was more of an anti-Cuse Big East fan more than anything else. So when UConn came into the Dome, I rooted for them. UConn came into the Dome on SU’s senior day in 1999 and 2004. Both years they were ranked highly and lost to an underdog Cuse team. And what did UConn do in 1999 and 2004? Won the National Championship.
And that fact right there is ONLY reason keeping me sane right now. We know we are the better team, we should win. And I have bet heavily with my cuse friends and family on this game. So the last thing I want right now is for Gtown to lose. And I don't think we will.
But all I'm saying is, theres a little luck to losing in the Dome on senior day if we do.
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Post by VictorSkyPage on Feb 26, 2007 11:31:21 GMT -5
Aside from the pressure a huge winning streak might put on a team, or the sense of complacency a team might get, people do realize that the "law of averages" doesn't work that way, right? Well said SF. This is exactly why this is stupid. It's hard to win a lot of games consecutively versus good teams just because it's difficult to do, not because of complacency or pressure. If you go 20-1 to end the year and that one is in the conference final everyone says you "refocused." If you do it in the Elite Eight, everyone says it was "the pressure of expectations." Hey folks, it's the SAME THING. The timing of that one loss just changed but nothing else changed. There is more similar about the 1995 UCLA team that won out its last 19 to finish 31-2 and the 1996 Kentucky team that lost in the SEC final but finished 34-2. Namely, they were probably at least a pick in every one of their games because they were really good and almost always a heavy favorite over even good teams. So this "we need to lose" is nonsense. Indiana didn't need to lose at all in 1976, UNLV apparently did in 1991. Actually they just lost to another good team in the Final Four by 2 points. Indiana didn't. That's the difference in their seasons, not some "pressure" or other voodoo reason. I don't think it's voodoo or any superstitious reasons.. I do however think pressure is a factor, I don't think you can just discount that (although it gets to a point where pressure is pressure and this team has Big Dance experience and an amazing coach and will likely deal with it well)... It's just more of a personal neurotic thing with me when it all boils down
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Post by vcjack on Feb 26, 2007 11:33:56 GMT -5
I thought that loosing to the Packers on New Years Eve would garuntee a Bears championship and look what happened! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) Come up with all the mystical implications you want, you go to win every game
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 26, 2007 11:45:29 GMT -5
Losing is NEVER better than winning(except for teams in the NFL and NBA in line for the top pick ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ). Whatever reason/excuse you come up with for losing, winning ALWAYS trumps it. The longer the winning streak, the better. Bottom line. End of discussion.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2007 11:46:12 GMT -5
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
(Thanks, Herm.)
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 26, 2007 11:56:31 GMT -5
Aside from the pressure a huge winning streak might put on a team, or the sense of complacency a team might get, people do realize that the "law of averages" doesn't work that way, right? I really think there is no pressure from the streak, and any pressure that is there will be gone come Saturday no matter what. Once the regular season ends, the next goal is to win the BET. And once that ends, it's to win a National Championship. Period. Keep winning, guys. It's a heck of a lot more fun than losing. this is the real reason. Once the regular season is over do you really think anyone gives a Edited about a win streak. It's all about the BET and then the NCAA. Nothing else matters.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 26, 2007 12:16:10 GMT -5
It's Syracuse dammit - I don't care if we are playing tiddlywinks, a loss is not acceptable
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 26, 2007 12:17:58 GMT -5
This is a rediculous thread. The people that say we need to lose a game are the people that lose their shirts playing playing blackjack, because they keep doubling their bet under the theory they can't possibly keep losing.
People, events are independent. We may get a marginally better effort because we're on a streak, but these are D1 athletes. They get up to play pretty much every game already. With the games we've got coming up, if these guys can't get excited to play, having an edge from another loss wouldn't have made any difference.
If we lose, fine. But no way do we "need" a loss, especially against Cuse or Uconn.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 26, 2007 12:19:24 GMT -5
It's Syracuse dammit - I don't care if we are playing tiddlywinks, a loss is not acceptable Seriously. The more I think about it, the more I think that the season can't really be considered a success unless we beat Cuse. There are exceptions (like say a Final Four or National Title), but I just don't think you can call a season a success without beating Cuse. Note: Not a success does not mean failure. It just means it didn't quite qualify for the term "success"
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 26, 2007 12:33:04 GMT -5
Let's beat SU and UCONN like a drum.
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Post by RDF on Feb 26, 2007 12:39:26 GMT -5
Screw that! I'd rather lose to UConn than the Cuse tonight. Nothing is wrong with a winning streak. HOYA FAN ANNOUNCEMENT: If you are a younger fan of the program and don't know much about history between Cuse and Hoyas--let me point to the above comments by MCI Guy as proper guidance. May I also add that stories can only be told, but there is one thing that sums up Cuse-Hoyas rivalry: "MANLEY FIELDHOUSE IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED" In addition, Michael Graham decking Andre Hawkins in BET Final in '84--that went OT, Hoyas dominate the OT, Boeheim goes ape and throws a chair in rage, Patrick Ewing dominating/destroying everyone in his path. Patrick getting bananas and oranges thrown at him in Dome and called an "ape", "gorilla", "illiterate", etc... and nothing being by anyone at ESPN other then Len Berman and Bill Raferty who ALWAYS HAS OUR BACK---and that includes Vitale who acted like JJ Redick was going to get beaten to death with negative insults that were nowhere near as vicious and despicable as what Pat saw at Cuse. Charles Smith going coast to coast to beat Cuse in Dome with last second floater. Perry McDonald dominating Coleman and Seikaly over his career. The stupid "Dome Ranger" running around like a jackass during Cuse games The "DARK AGES" came upon us after Zo's Frosh year--Cuse starting taking over the rivalry and it was painful for us old timers. It all started with the blowout in Landover in big showdown game. Then came the Sam Jefferson foul from 50+ feet with Hoyas up and cost them game in eventual OT. Then it was misery until Othella showed up and got us some wins, followed by AI, and now you are caught up. GU used to OWN Cuse in big matchups--BET Final in '84, '87, and '89. Then the loss in Zo's SR year in BET Final, changed tide in the showdown games--well tonight is time for PAYBACK-- It's on--and the thing with winning streaks is that you have to learn to enjoy them and realize that anything is possible. I'm a bit supersticious when it comes to that--but ONLY if a team is undefeated--if you've lost some games--there is no rule saying you can't close out a season on a huge run. Losing never teaches you anything--other then how painful it is to lose. Winning is what develops confidence and nothing would make this program/team even tougher then taking it to the Cuse at the Dome in front of their raucous crowd and Sean McDonough--who will be in RARE FORM tonight promoting Demetrius Nichols to lengths, people will wonder if we're talking about LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Dwayne Wade rolled into one player. The fact is Syracuse-GU is BIG EAST BASKETBALL and there is NOTHING like beating them at any point, any game, but especially in a BIG GAME--nothing. Only thing sweeter is Championships--but in Big East it's even more sweet to beat them for it. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) is how I feel about Cuse and you will all learn--soon enough my younger fans.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2007 12:42:17 GMT -5
It does seem odd to be playing a game this late in the year where losing probably wouldn't have much affect on our positioning for the rest of the season though. That's usually a sign that you're very, very good.
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Post by Boz on Feb 26, 2007 12:51:52 GMT -5
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. (Thanks, Herm.) I concur. And let me add: YOU PLAY TO BEAT THE ORANGE! YOU PLAY TO BEAT THE ORANGE! What was it JTIII said last year after beating Syracuse at home? "The Duke win was nice. This was better. This was Georgetown-Syracuse." Or words to that effect. I think someone has it as their signature on the board. As for me, I go with the wisdom of HoyaSAXA: "BREATHE IF U HATE SYRACUSE"
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Post by mrsixer123 on Feb 26, 2007 13:03:43 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I really don't think a loss tonight would be a bad thing. We can still win the regular season title with a win on saturday, set our sights on the BET title at MSG the following saturday and of course the whopper on April 2nd. But there's something I don't like about entering the Dance on a 16-game winning streak. It's casual, but there's something about it that I just don't like. Hi Crazy!! (just kidding) I don't know where I saw it, but but during one of the many NCAA games I saw this weekend, there was a list of NCAA champs whose title was a continuation of a long win streak. Quite a few of them including Florida. IMHO it is always better to win. i thought florida lost 2 games late in the season prior to the tourny last year? if this was a immature or "flashy" team i would agree as a loss could serve as a wake up call that their "stuff" still stinks. i just think this coaching staff is so superior that they have groomed this team well enough not to let over confidence become an issue. jt3 has consistantly said that the team still has room for a lot of improvement. while on b. mitch's radio show a week ago he stated in part "people keep telling me the team is peaking at the right time. well i sure hope we aren't b/c i want us to peak mid to late march."
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 26, 2007 13:19:51 GMT -5
Wow - overreact much, gang? ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Boz on Feb 26, 2007 13:27:54 GMT -5
Wow - overreact much, gang? ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) When the conversation involves Syracuse, there is no such word as "overreact."
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2007 14:00:53 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I really don't think a loss tonight would be a bad thing. We can still win the regular season title with a win on saturday, set our sights on the BET title at MSG the following saturday and of course the whopper on April 2nd. But there's something I don't like about entering the Dance on a 16-game winning streak. It's casual, but there's something about it that I just don't like. There is a far greater likelihood of the Hoyas losing a game in the NCAA tournament if I do not wear the proper game day shirt than if they come in riding a 16 game winning streak. Casually speaking, of course.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 26, 2007 14:04:41 GMT -5
I agree with mr. Sixer here. THis team has an unreal resolve and internal confidence.
Remember before the season the guys were talking openly about winning the whole thing.
I think in a lot of ways the team looked back at Florida win the whole thing last year and it KILLED them inside. I think that started the resolve that we could win the whole thing.
Who knows what will happen, but the last thing I worry about is the teams mindset with JTIII at the helm. He is humble and the team is humble. They just want to rip your throat out while doing it.
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Post by HoyaSC on Feb 26, 2007 14:40:42 GMT -5
This team does not strike me as the kind of team to have a letdown against an inferior opponent who also happens to be their archrival. The teams that have given us the most trouble play excellent defense (Nova, Pitt). Cuse does not play great defense.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Feb 26, 2007 14:45:25 GMT -5
We're also perfect this year in ruining others' celebrations. So the excuse that SUcks will be especailly 'up' for this game doesn't really hold with this team.
Lets try to keep that streak alive as well.
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