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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 24, 2007 22:37:05 GMT -5
Thought about this during tonight's game and would like to point out that this is perhaps one area in which JTIII and staff are underappreciated. Hibbert has made great strides each season, and although he has much room for improvement, he was no SI cover boy last year. We've seen Jeremiah Rivers and DaJuan Summers go from turnover liabilities to good decision makers and offensive threats within months. We've seen a PG recruited for the Ivy League become one of the best shooters and leaders in the conference. I could go on. This is particularly pleasing to a member of Generation Burton who saw many players with good/great potential fail to improve their games while at Georgetown. Just another reason to be pleased with this coaching staff, the members of the team, and the program as a whole.
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Post by mapei on Jan 24, 2007 22:41:04 GMT -5
Good points.
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Post by KRUKSTER on Jan 24, 2007 22:42:39 GMT -5
TWO THUMBS UP to this post .... JTIII and staff = THE BOMB!!
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Post by hoyaeighties on Jan 25, 2007 10:41:58 GMT -5
Thought about this during tonight's game and would like to point out that this is perhaps one area in which JTIII and staff are underappreciated. Hibbert has made great strides each season, and although he has much room for improvement, he was no SI cover boy last year. We've seen Jeremiah Rivers and DaJuan Summers go from turnover liabilities to good decision makers and offensive threats within months. We've seen a PG recruited for the Ivy League become one of the best shooters and leaders in the conference. I could go on. This is particularly pleasing to a member of Generation Burton who saw many players with good/great potential fail to improve their games while at Georgetown. Just another reason to be pleased with this coaching staff, the members of the team, and the program as a whole. Roy was and is and always be the cover boy for SI...you didn't say that when he led us to the Sweet 16 and also this year...why do think our record is the way it is...good team play mostly...although Roy has gotten most of his points from putbacks and drives...I repeat Roy cannot do anything when he does get the ball...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 25, 2007 10:44:17 GMT -5
eighties you gotta calm down even when people complement roy you get on their case for not complementing him enough. What are you Roy's dad or something. We all appreciate roy we're just giving some credit to JTIII and the staff for his continued improvement.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 25, 2007 10:58:42 GMT -5
Thought about this during tonight's game and would like to point out that this is perhaps one area in which JTIII and staff are underappreciated. Hibbert has made great strides each season, and although he has much room for improvement, he was no SI cover boy last year. We've seen Jeremiah Rivers and DaJuan Summers go from turnover liabilities to good decision makers and offensive threats within months. We've seen a PG recruited for the Ivy League become one of the best shooters and leaders in the conference. I could go on. This is particularly pleasing to a member of Generation Burton who saw many players with good/great potential fail to improve their games while at Georgetown. Just another reason to be pleased with this coaching staff, the members of the team, and the program as a whole. Great post, Austin. Like Pete Carrill, III teaches basketball as much as he coaches it. Hibbs has gone from a guy who couldn't really run to a sure-fire NBA prospect. It's clear how III's ability to teach and improve his players helps us on the court but the real benefit will be seen, IMO, in recruiting. III makes players better. He raises their basketball IQ. That's a huge attraction for young players.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2007 11:00:24 GMT -5
One thing I'm pretty sure we can attribute to the staff is that they know how to teach how to shoot. Yes, not every player is improving every year, but there's a real trend of this team knowing how to hit an open shot.
Just watch Jon Wallace from last night's game. Even when he's not expecting the ball, when he's behind the arc, he's already squared. When the ball gets there, his knees are already bent -- and he's practically in the act of shooting. Jeff's improved immensely. You can tell they've worked with Jessie in terms of moving forward when taking his threes and stepping into the shot.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2007 12:48:22 GMT -5
Great analysis. Two fists up.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Jan 25, 2007 13:11:19 GMT -5
III has done a great, great job with Roy and Jon - to name a few who came in with little expectation of greatness. It will be very interesting to see what he can do with players like Summers/Macklin, who come in with high expectations... or with players like Freeman/Wright who come in expected to immediately take the team to another level.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 25, 2007 14:25:37 GMT -5
I nominate this as post of the month (narrowly edging out RDF's sportsmanship tirades ;D).
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Post by Omega on Jan 25, 2007 14:42:04 GMT -5
Roy is mostly the problem. Granted there are times when the guards fail to make a correct entry pass, however, the majority of the time Roy is either getting pushed out of position by a smaller man, playing too soft, or doesn't take the shot when he is one-on-one. Last night's game was a perfect example. Roy was one-on-one with his man. Rather than take a shot he waited for the double team and then passed out of it. JT took him out of the game right after that play as he should of. You cannot be 7'2 or 7'3 and be timid in the post.
Until Roy starts playing like a man, he doesn't deserve to get the ball. If the elder JT was coaching this team, he would never run any plays for Roy. He would tell him, "if you want to touch the ball, get a rebound!"
Like Rick said last night, no shots in the Nova game had nothing to do with the guards. If Roy would have been more agressive he would gave at least gotten one rebound and attempted put back. Bottom line, the guards need to do a better job of getting Roy the ball. but Roy needs to create space for himself, play like he's above 7 feet, and stop being soft!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 14:43:36 GMT -5
Roy is mostly the problem. Granted there are times when the guards fail to make a correct entry pass, however, the majority of the time Roy is either getting pushed out of position by a smaller man, playing too soft, or doesn't take the shot when he is one-on-one. Last night's game was a perfect example. Roy was one-on-one with his man. Rather than take a shot he waited for the double team and then passed out of it. JT took him out of the game right after that play as he should of. You cannot be 7'2 or 7'3 and be timid in the post. Until Roy starts playing like a man, he doesn't deserve to get the ball. If the elder JT was coaching this team, he would never run any plays for Roy. He would tell him, "if you want to touch the ball, get a rebound!" Like Rick said last night, no shots in the Nova game had nothing to do with the guards. If Roy would have been more agressive he would gave at least gotten one rebound and attempted put back. Bottom line, the guards need to do a better job of getting Roy the ball. but Roy needs to create space for himself, play like he's above 7 feet, and stop being soft! Your self-internal jealousy is inside you. Hater.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 25, 2007 14:58:17 GMT -5
I was going to start a new post but saw this thread and this is as good a place as any. I saw for the first time last night a Hoya(Jeff Green) feed Roy in the post with a bounce pass. This might not seem like much, but I literally jumped out of my chair with excitement as Roy received the bounce pass with his man on his back , spun and hit a short layup. Green did this by taking a driving position ,then faked going to his right, then sending a pretty bounce pass with his left hand to Roy. I hope this is something the staff has been working on with the team. Sapp and Wallace could make Roy's life a lot easier by feeding him this way when he has pinned his man and their defender is taking away the lob pass. On a sour note Sapp is really poor on stopping the dribble drive even with his speed. He seems to lock his knees and then bend over from the waist when guarding out front. If he would bend his knees instead of leaning over he could cut off the dribble driver and send him back towards the top. Rivers and Wallace don't have his quickness, but have better defensive position technique and are better at stopping the dribble drive.
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Post by Boz on Jan 25, 2007 15:58:24 GMT -5
Great analysis. Two fists up. It took 8 posts for an explicit reference to ---- well, let's just say retroactive coaching? What's up with that? Man, this board is slipping. A year ago this thread would be completely derailed by the fourth post. Go JTIII!!!!! He's not a basketball coach. He's a teacher who just happens to coach basketball. Seriously, though. Hibbert has improved every year. Wallace has improved every year. Everyone on the team can deliver that back door pass. Nearly everyone on the team can make that back door cut. Shooting % has gone up - significantly - every year (though I imagine that has to plateau at some point). If that's not coaching, then Coach K's wife is a hottie. No question III has been outcoached in a couple games this year, but that's just gonna' happen sometimes. The other results speak for themselves.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 25, 2007 15:59:09 GMT -5
Roy is mostly the problem. Granted there are times when the guards fail to make a correct entry pass, however, the majority of the time Roy is either getting pushed out of position by a smaller man, playing too soft, or doesn't take the shot when he is one-on-one. Last night's game was a perfect example. Roy was one-on-one with his man. Rather than take a shot he waited for the double team and then passed out of it. JT took him out of the game right after that play as he should of. You cannot be 7'2 or 7'3 and be timid in the post. Until Roy starts playing like a man, he doesn't deserve to get the ball. If the elder JT was coaching this team, he would never run any plays for Roy. He would tell him, "if you want to touch the ball, get a rebound!" Like Rick said last night, no shots in the Nova game had nothing to do with the guards. If Roy would have been more agressive he would gave at least gotten one rebound and attempted put back. Bottom line, the guards need to do a better job of getting Roy the ball. but Roy needs to create space for himself, play like he's above 7 feet, and stop being soft! Oh god, Omega. What did you do? What did you do?Haven't you been on the board in the past few weeks? You cannot express an opinion that suggets Roy is anything but the single most important Hoya on this team. You cannot suggest Roy has to improve. You cannot opine that his shortcomings are anything but the failings of the guards. Ok...well, without further ado: Roy needs the ball...not my fault I know everything about the hoya game...been watching since '54...learn the game...watch the games again...he's the basketball jesus...forget shuttlesworth...learn the game...Roy is beyond questioning...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 25, 2007 16:13:46 GMT -5
"Shooting % has gone up - significantly - every year (though I imagine that has to plateau at some point)."
False FG% will continue to improve every year in ten years the hoyas will be shooting over 110% from the field.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 25, 2007 16:28:18 GMT -5
I don't think Jeff has improved over his freshman year.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2007 16:37:29 GMT -5
I don't think Jeff has improved over his freshman year. I think he has. I think a lot of his statistical decreases are due to the emergence of other players. He's a better shooter than he was then. I think his handle is better. I think he's a better defender. He isn't getting the number of low post opportunities he got his freshman year because of Roy's increased minutes.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 25, 2007 18:44:07 GMT -5
I don't think Jeff has improved over his freshman year. I think it's difficult to analyze improvement in Jeff's game. If you look at his numbers, his best year so far has been 04-05, but that season he was averaging around 34 minutes a night and Hibbert 15. Jeff was on the blocks or in the lane his freshman year much more than he is now or was last year, so it's natural his shooting percentage would be highest (see also: Roy this season) for 04-05. Once Hibbert starting getting minutes, Jeff's role changed from "only servicable post player on the roster" to "guy the offense runs through." Jeff was asked to shoot further from the basket, so it's somewhat natural his numbers declined last season. This year his shooting percentages and PPS are back up to around the 04-05 levels. So I'll agree with SF: Jeff has improved his game. I just think you need to look at "his game" at GU as beginning in 05-06.
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Post by hoyaeighties on Jan 25, 2007 19:31:01 GMT -5
eighties you gotta calm down even when people complement roy you get on their case for not complementing him enough. What are you Roy's dad or something. We all appreciate roy we're just giving some credit to JTIII and the staff for his continued improvement. Slim, from now on just remember this fella...first of all, stop medling in business...i'm a grown man, and I don't need you to act like your my mom or dad...and if I were its none of your business...I know whats going on I'm stating my opinion as everyone on here...don't get it twisted and stop getting it twisted...No one you didn't appreciate Roy, you did...kb ;D
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