Alright, I've reached my limit

[GIGAFAN99]

These ridiculous arguments have to stop. This isn't the summer where there's nothing to talk about. This is the middle of the season. Let's agree on the following:

1. JTIII is a good coach. Scratch that, he's a very good coach. The fact that he's adjusting to high major ball right now and has managed to do so while being possibly the #1 recruiter in the conference pretty much ends any coaching discussions. Which brings me to the next point...

2. This team might not be playing like the #8 team in the nation but it's playing a lot like last year's team. Worst case, I think this team ends up being like that team in that it will make a run here over the next few weeks and get a top 8 seed in the tournament where nobody will want to face them. Can't say that if that happens any of us should be crying for "suffering" through a year of 20-some wins and a good chance at making a run with everyone of importance scheduled to return. Which brings me to my next point...

3. Alright, you win. By "you" I mean everyone who thinks Austin and Chris will start. They will. Or they won't. I don't care. I think they're more than a fair trade for Sead. Whether they start or not couldn't matter any less. But the Hoyas will once again win at least 10 Big East games this season and when they do, remember that you can't exactly say they're not winning with Jon Wallace at point based on facts and not hypothetical projected speculation on future performance. Results matter here. This isn't "pee-wee ball."

We're really suffering here and maybe a few games ago it would have been warranted. But we're 2-2 in our first four non-pillow fights since the end of the silly schedule. The wins were blowouts and the losses were close. This team could be doing things better but I think they're ready to wreck the bottom half of the conference.

Let's move on already. Nothing like a few wins to change the conversation.

[Oh My!]

Hear! Hear!

& btw, those still bemoaning the Oregon loss can just stop right now, after they took out Arizona yesterday.

Oh, & btw again, those bemoaning the ODU loss can just stop right now, as they DESTROYED Drexel on Saturday (& Drexel beat both Villanova AND Syracuse). Their losses are to Clemson (final unbeaten team), Marist (potential MAAC Champion), Winthrop (OWNS the Big South every year & a perennial tourney team), VA Tech (tied for 1st in the ACC & just beat the 2 biggest traditions in the league), and Hofstra (tied with ODU for 2nd in CAA).

Everyone please stop!

[YB]

Good message Giga. I don't think we're top-10 good, our guards just aren't there.... but we have good talent and just have to fit it in together. There just may be no substitute for time and hard lessons learned to make a team grow, and grow together.

[aggypryd]

To Piggy-Back Giga...

This is the time last year when we turned it all around. We beat Duke, got a couple of wins in the BET, and entered the NCAA tourney as a #7 seed.

Do you know any #2 seeds that want to meet up with Georgetown in the 2nd round of the tourney? You see how we made such 'quick work' of Ohio State in Dayton.

We'll be fine...just have to rebound better and get a little meaner...

[RockawayHoya]

But if all the new/infrequent posters can't complain about those three things, then what will they have to post about?

Excellent post, Giga. Agree on all counts.

[tgo]

gigafan99 said:

These ridiculous arguments have to stop.

3. Alright, you win. By "you" I mean everyone who thinks Austin and Chris will start. They will. Or they won't. I don't care. I think they're more than a fair trade for Sead. Whether they start or not couldn't matter any less. But the Hoyas will once again win at least 10 Big East games this season and when they do, remember that you can't exactly say they're not winning with Jon Wallace at point based on facts and not hypothetical projected speculation on future performance. Results matter here. This isn't "pee-wee ball."

exactly. well said!
enough about some great players coming in the future. there are always great players coming in. this time last year people were wondering if we could keep Macklin on campus for more than a year.
also, this is not an opening for people to ramble on about how great next years recruits are, i hope you are right but dont care since we are talking about this team and this season.

[RDF]

I guess I'd share the same optimism in this team that many do if they could bring consistent effort to the court. They play like they did the other night, they'll win enough games in a bad conference this year. They play like they did against Nova last Monday and they might not qualify for the BET, nevermind the NCAA's. The Big East isn't very good this year and GU has no excuse to not be 2-1 right now--if you can't beat that Nova team, what game is a "sure" thing? A team looking to make noise wins that Nova game by 20+ points. A team that is going to struggle to be .500 in league play loses that game. This team is a lot closer to being .500 right now then a threat to do damage in March--unless that tournament is spelled NIT.

Glad so many are optimistic but good teams dont' play as weak with ball as Hoyas and don't have to "Get up" for games. As a fan, I have no say in this team's performance but neither do the "enough with criticism, this team is going to win 10 Big East games, we have a great coach....." fans. It's up to the coaches and players and if they can put forth improvement and quit making mistakes that shouldn't be made by upperclassmen and take care of the basketball, yes they have opportunity to win games. I've yet to see any consistency that has me confident in this group. Hope they build off Pitt loss--but it took a Duke win last year to get this program on right track and I'm of the school you don't improve from losing--you have to grind it out and win games to get better as a team/program. Like rest of you, I'll be watching and we'll see what happens.

[Oh My!]

"We are still getting better, and we're going to continue to get better..........."

-John Thompson III, Head Coach (Jan. 8, 2007)

This was only 1 week ago, folks. Have faith.

[JohnJacquesLayup]

I believe we will continue to improve, as we did last year, and start to hit stride in the next couple weeks (the next few BE games will help our progress, with any luck). The thing this team doesn't have, that last year's team did, is the "this is our last chance" attitude.

I know Roy was our best NCAA tourney player, but the entire team fed off our seniors' attitude of making the most of their last and only NCAA appearance. We don't necessarily have anyone desperate to make an impact in the tourney, or prove something to NBA scouts. If you feel like you have plenty of time to improve and be successful, you may get a little too comfortable. You don't think every Bowman throw-dribble, every Cook step-back jumper, and every Owens set 3-pt shot was fueled in part by an "it's now or never" attitude?

I guess if we keep letting games slip from our grips (ODU, Duke, Oregon, 'nova), the team will have a sense of urgency soon enough.

[Filo]

The loss to 'Nova absolutely killed me too, but I think it is an over-simplificatio to just say we should have blown them out. A bad loss that should not have happened? Sure. Completely unexplainable? No. Among the reasons why:
1. It's a good rivalry and sometimes win-loss records and level of talent are neutralized by that rivalry, especially when...
2. 'Nova was coming off 2 BE losses to start the season and absolutely needed that win. So they played like it.
3. That was the first time this year that this team faced that kind of D / pressure.
4. Pre-season hype / expectations painted a target on the Hoyas' backs. Every team is revved up when playing the Hoyas (see Pitt game).

None of these are excuses, and the Hoyas should have won, but I don't think it is a simple as we are better than them and we should have won by 20. I agree though that the boys are going to have to adjust and bring it every game from here on out.

[JimmyHoya]

Diehard fans don't call the Hoyas "Hoyizzles."

I'm sorry, but it needed to be said. Deduct 2 points from Brasky's score.

People need to recognize it is Jan 15th, not March 15th when the NCAA games begin and that we have 13 flippin' more BE games to go! Concern--understandable. Mourning--not so much!

[williambraskyiii]

listen you little dweeb, i was making my bones as a Hoyas fan while your mommy was still changing your soiled diapers. so why don't you shut it.

[chinatownfanclub]

stay classy, mr. brasky

[JimmyHoya]

Braskizzle, if that is true, you are now most likely in your late 30's. You might have even hit the big 4-0 recently. You're balding. You'll never have the option of buying a smaller pair of pants. You're pathetically trying to stay hip, but are 2 years too late. Snoop Dogg you certainly ain't. You live in dreary suburbia. Maybe with YB in Spotsylvania. Don't be bitter, we're all fans here. This place is an e-support group for your otherwise Rutgarian existence.


I'd also like to reitterate what some have already said: we have never looked like a team that has no shot (like we did say 3 seasons ago!), rather one that simply needs to focus and execute. It's a testament to the program and how far much we have improved that in just 2-3 seasons we can actually complain about not being 1st in the BE and undefeated given our schedule and conference competition. Just remember that. JT3 and the team's perfomance can't be thaaaat bad--and that's not Esherickian "well it's all in fun anyway, you can't demand a tourney bid every year bullcrap" coming out, that's fact. Everybody slumps, we'll most certainly get through this and keep reaching new heights.

[mrsixer123]

Why so much concern? Our team, especially the guards, are, and will be just fine.

[williambraskyiii]

Jimmy...actually that was a play on moe greene's speech to michael corleone in gfather...but you are too young to appreciate anything that noteworthy and are too busy EDITED probably....

go put on your flamebag wig, mug for the camera and make sure you make it to the game early enough to sit in the front row, since that is what's important to you losers these days.

i'm actually 27...so seriously EDITED.


brasky... keep it at least bordering on clean please...

[hoya73]

Weak sauce and gaylord? i'll give you weak sauce, bur what the edited does gaylord mean?
I guess at twice your age I just don't get the 27 year old wisdom...

[JimmyHoya]

Actually, I've sat in the front row twice and it blows IMHO. I recommend it if you've got 5 hours to waste on a 2 hour basketball contest. Come find me in 118 or 100. We can chat about the good ol' days. Maybe I can sneak into the Acela Club like the big kids and grab a beer. I'll supply the immature Harold & Kumar Go To Whitecastle references and you can repeat more classic movie lines that will go over my decidedly "weak sauce" head.

I'm 20 and I've been to more games than you and know more random bull about Hoya hoops than 90% of the people here. I'm a walking hoyabasketball.com. I brag about this because harping on irrelevance when I should doing my readings for tommorow is a hobby I've picked up along the way.

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williambraskyiii said:

Jimmy...actually that was a play on moe greene's speech to michael corleone in gfather...but you are too young to appreciate anything that noteworthy and are too busy EDITED probably....

go put on your flamebag wig, mug for the camera and make sure you make it to the game early enough to sit in the front row, since that is what's important to you losers these days.

i'm actually 27...so seriously EDITED.

Hey brasky - I got a recruiting table to run. I gotta kick asses sometimes to make it run right. We had a little argument, JimmyHoya and I, so I had to straighten him out.

Yeah, let's talk business, Jimmy. First of all, you're all done. The Media Sluts don't even have that kind of muscle anymore. The Bubble Wrapped Surfers are sick, right? You're getting chased out of Verizon by brasky and the other young alums. What do you think is going on here? You think you can come to my arena and take over? I talked to brasky - I can make a deal with him, and still keep my hotel... er... arena!!

[williambraskyiii]

jimmyhoya said:

because harping on irrelevance when I should doing my readings for tommorow is a hobby I've picked up along the way.

appears that we have more in common than i initially suspected ... man 20 was a good year - enjoy yourself. go hoyas.