Roy needs to step it up

[DoubleOhHoya]

I've only seen 2.5 games, but I'm disappointed with Roy. Sure, he's our leading scorer, but he should be over 15 a game. Against Michigan, he seemed to be out-hustled. I expect a lot more from Roy.

<hr> And's what's with all the missed layups lately? Not just from Roy, but the whole freakin' team?

[YB]

Everyone keys in on Roy. He has to learn to keep his head down, the ball up and play strong and hard even when he can't score. He's learning.

[hoyaeighties]

DoubleOhHoya,

Whoa...not bashing or anything...DoubleOhHoya...when you get the chance pls read my post "Lets Get Roy the Ball" and it was another post also...you will see what I'm saying and also check this out...

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/04/AR2007010401627.html

Roy has basically done the job himself in his play...like they say you never miss what you got till its gone...Well, I put it like this if those guards don't make it their business getting Roy the ball at the right time, not when they (guards) want to but when Roy wants the ball...have you
been watching the games? I'm not trying to embarrass you or anything like that, but I just want to let you know...Roy does not bring the ball down the court and he sure as heck does not run the offense...it starts with the pg inside, then outside...holla back DoubleOhHoya...peace man...I agree YB...Roy should not be bringing the ball down into the defense (thats where all the lil guys are...lol)...when he gets the ball "quickly and swiftly" when he first posts up on the block before he's doubled..."Thats something the Hoyas are "slowly figuring out"...the word slowly...exactly...those guards need to be fundamental sound on working no the bounce pass in the post which is the best in the post because while the defense arms are spread wide or up you can give an easy oh so easy bounce pass and the ball will come up to Roy or just past the ball to where Roy's hands are...these are very fundamental passes that need to be made to go into the post, but the guards are good guards, but not fundamentally sound as they should be especially the point guards...don't get me wrong you will see the difference next season, but that's next year...Jesse started the game before getting the ball early to Roy with some nice bounce passes the it stopped and I was like dang, I almost kinda expected that, but dang it's okay...we'll be ok man...WE ARE GEORGETOWN!!!

[aggypryd]

Everyone needs to step it up...

[hoyaeighties]

Man, coach kinda suprised me when he said "Obviously, when you have a talented big man, and when the big man is the main weapon, people will focus on that person" coach JTIII said...I was surprised when coach made that statement...Roy will be focused on anywhere, anytime because he's 7'2"...the no look pass, the slick, quick pass (bounce pass or oop or throw up to hands on angles and all that...there are all kinds of passing drills for guards, I think the most important is the "eyes"...you have to have a sharp, keen eye to get the ball inside consistently...

[DoubleOhHoya]

Hoya80s - Like I said, I've seen 2.5 games. I've no doubt the guards need to get him the ball a bit more. At least against Michigan, he was 100% man, 0% ravenous beast. There is no excuse for him getting consistently beat for rebounds.

[hoyaeighties]

DoubleOhHoya...I feel you man...u have to know he's getting banged and banged and everything in there man...he's not the only one out there going for rebounds...you can't take nothing away from the other team...they are just as hungry for rebounds also...I know Roy is 7'2" but you others that can flat out jump out of the gym...

[SFHoya99]

Re: Rebounding.

Ken Pomeroy has a great chart of Rebounding Rates versus Height. It's here: kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/2006/05/ -- scroll down.

Roy is the only data point at 7'2", but if you look at the curve, he's a much better rebounder than your average 7'.

There are lots of better rebounders near his height -- better jumpers, bulkier, etc. But the guy is well above average as a rebounder.

[nychoya3]

And he's shooting 65%+ from the field. Yeah, he misses a few layups, but you really can't complain when a guy is making that kind of percentage. We just need guards who throw better entry passes, cause Roy is definitely doing his part.

[DoubleOhHoya]

If Roy is doing his part, then why is he only playing 25 mpg?

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doubleohhoya said:

If Roy is doing his part, then why is he only playing 25 mpg?

I have only anecdotal evidence, but others have noted as well: the offense appears to run better when either Jeff or Roy are in there alone, not both.

Jeff being the more versatile player, my guess is he's getting more of those only-one-of-the-bigs-on-the-court minutes (over 30 per game) because the offense can do more when he's the big-man-focal-point.

The problem as I see it is that both seem to be slow starters, as well. And that has nothing to do with the guards getting them the ball, in the games I've seen both Jeff and Roy have failed to establish position in the post consistently, box out and rebound consistently, play intelligent and aggressive defense consistently... Jeff started reversing this trend against Michigan, but Roy didn't pick it up until 30 minutes into the game. This seems to be the trend (and there are obviously games where their roles are reversed) far too often for my tastes.

Of course, much of this has to do with the fact that both spend a considerable amount of time above the FT line distributing out of the PrinceTown sets. Perhaps that's why they don't work 100% together... it forces the other away from the hoop a decent amount...

[SFHoya99]

doubleohhoya said:

If Roy is doing his part, then why is he only playing 25 mpg?

I'd imagine quite a bit of that is because our average margin of victory in wins is somewhere around 20.

We've lost three games. We really haven't had a close win. Why would we be running Roy up and down the court for 30+ minutes when we haven't needed him in 3/4 of our games?

[lichoya68]

DUNK IT ROY DUNK IT ROY STRONG AND QUICK TO THE HOOP DUNK IT ROY BEAT ND ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[hoyaLS05]

I think that Roy has been good this season, on the whole, but that he can certainly be better. The Hoyas' early struggles were not his fault, but that doesn't mean he can stand to do a bit more. I think thats obvious. Here is a question though: What happened to Roy's FT shooting. He's down to 67.3 this year from 72.3 percent a year ago, which actually doesn't sound too bad, but just watching the games, he hasn't seemed nearly as reliable from the stripe this season. Is it fatigue? An early-season anomaly? I'm trying to think of other reasons...

[TrueHoyaBlue]

Smallish sample size (only 52 FTA right now, compared to 119 last season). If he had hit two more, he'd be over 71% right now. Three more and he'd be around 73%.... on the other hand, I think he started the season near 80% from line last year and then faded late, so we'll see how this ends up shaking out.

That being said, Roy has raised his FG% from 59% last year to 65% this year, and I think I'd take that trade any day.

[mapei]

How does his turnover rate compare to his peers? That's a concern of mine with him.

[hoyaeighties]

BuffaloHoya, what games are you watching...I'm just asking I need to know...your man Bilas and Rafferty said last week just as I said that Roy was running the floor as usual and coming working to get open and "the guards were gettting him the ball...did you read the post article yesterday....Roy cannot do anything without the ball...the ball comes from the guards to the inside post play so how can you say you don't think its as much the guards fault? Please, I just need to know...

[HoyaSinceBirth]

well roy stepped it up today.

[hoya73]

And our offense worked best when both Roy and Jeff were on the court at the same time.

[lichoya68]

HE DID HE CERTAINLY DID MAD AT THE ND CLAWING AND PUSHING AND HE STEPPED UP KEEP IT UP ROY GO HOYAS ;D