prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 13, 2006 13:26:52 GMT -5
Who cares as long as both step up every game.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 13, 2006 14:05:16 GMT -5
I agree that Jeff is the most important cog and that the team often looks lost with out him on hte court. But i also agree that this doesn't necessarily make him a leader. I think Wallace and at times roy are a lot more vocal on the court and in the actual leadership of the team. Off the court i beleive what coach says about crawford and feel he often leads by example with his hustle.
I also think that a team doesn't necessarily need one leader. [/HSB attempt to unhijak the thread ]
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 13, 2006 15:06:23 GMT -5
also when did gtown students get so pathetically soft. I feel like no one over there on the Hilltop knows how to have a good time anymore - or at least the people posting on this Board. I think there is a direct correlation between students becoming wussy little wusses and Champs closing. HERE HERE! My name is Cambridge, and I endorse this statement.
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HealyHoya
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Post by HealyHoya on Dec 13, 2006 17:14:33 GMT -5
Green is the leader. Champs? How 'bout The Pub? Pub scum...anyone?
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Post by hoyaeighties on Dec 14, 2006 11:51:28 GMT -5
RDF...there is a such thing as "developing as a leader" as far as basketball is concerned...you might have a senior who is the vocal leader of that team and have a junior that is expected to be that vocal leader the next season after that senior leaves...the coach talks to the player the following season and says "hey kid I need you to step up to the plate and be my vocal leader this year...the kid is not being that vocal leader that coach wants him to be at that time...coach has another talk with that player...the player comes into the next 3 to games he is stepping (developing) up to the plate and being more of that vocal leader his coach wanted him to become for the rest of the season...that is what I mean by "developing" please don't get it twisted RDF...I know you like my other write ups, but you didn't give me no credit which is cool...
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Dec 14, 2006 12:22:04 GMT -5
RDF...there is a such thing as "developing as a leader" as far as basketball is concerned...you might have a senior who is the vocal leader of that team and have a junior that is expected to be that vocal leader the next season after that senior leaves...the coach talks to the player the following season and says "hey kid I need you to step up to the plate and be my vocal leader this year...the kid is not being that vocal leader that coach wants him to be at that time...coach has another talk with that player...the player comes into the next 3 to games he is stepping (developing) up to the plate and being more of that vocal leader his coach wanted him to become for the rest of the season...that is what I mean by "developing" please don't get it twisted RDF...I know you like my other write ups, but you didn't give me no credit which is cool... WTF is this about? I was talking in general--and not addressing anyone's viewpoint. I'm of the belief you can't force leadership on anyone--it's a natural trait and people see through someone who isn't geniune--be it phony or just making that individual uncomfortable in the role he's being placed by the coach/boss. Watching Jeff Green for instance--he's a guy who is a great player--and most important player on team--he's also someone who I don't think can change his persona on the court--he's cool on court and quiet. That is fine. Crawford and PE JR are more "rah rah" guys--that is fine too. Key in anything is to be yourself and allow people to be who they are--if you want a leader, you recruit one--leadership doesn't have an age limitation. I'm not saying older players shouldn't be respected, I'm saying they should add whatever to the team they can in a manner that fits who they are as people/players. Some guys are leaders off the court and are there to talk to younger guys about off court stuff but on the court they are quiet and just play ball--others are up in guys faces on the court and quiet as can be off it. I don't think anyone is wrong in their viewpoint, but I'm just speaking on my experiences on what seems to work and others can as well--you don't have to be a great athlete to know what makes a team win--everyone has participated in some sort of team setting--be it sports or business and to win you have to be accepting of your role in the team--leaders are born and natural, just as other facets are--if you force leadership on someone or ask a leader to be quiet--you will fail.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Dec 15, 2006 8:35:19 GMT -5
I realize a lot of people who post to this board are unable to actually attend games, but it's very obvious from doing so that Wallace is the primary leader of this team. Watch him at breaks in play as he'll often go instruct one of his teammates or, if necessary, get in their face.
While I've always liked Wallace, I had doubts about his role on our squad as our recruiting has improved. But I've been extremely impressed with all the little things he's done this year, his floor leadership being a primary example.
The real question: how is Sead dealing with PEJr taking over his role as primary cheer leader?
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 15, 2006 9:55:17 GMT -5
Please, even PEJr's clapping abilities are overrated. He'll never top Sead.
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Post by hoyaeighties on Dec 15, 2006 10:28:11 GMT -5
My bad RDF...thought you finger pointing...I apologize RDF...there is a such thing as "developing as a leader" as far as basketball is concerned...you might have a senior who is the vocal leader of that team and have a junior that is expected to be that vocal leader the next season after that senior leaves...the coach talks to the player the following season and says "hey kid I need you to step up to the plate and be my vocal leader this year...the kid is not being that vocal leader that coach wants him to be at that time...coach has another talk with that player...the player comes into the next 3 to games he is stepping (developing) up to the plate and being more of that vocal leader his coach wanted him to become for the rest of the season...that is what I mean by "developing" please don't get it twisted RDF...I know you like my other write ups, but you didn't give me no credit which is cool... what is this about? I was talking in general--and not addressing anyone's viewpoint. I'm of the belief you can't force leadership on anyone--it's a natural trait and people see through someone who isn't geniune--be it phony or just making that individual uncomfortable in the role he's being placed by the coach/boss. Watching Jeff Green for instance--he's a guy who is a great player--and most important player on team--he's also someone who I don't think can change his persona on the court--he's cool on court and quiet. That is fine. Crawford and PE JR are more "rah rah" guys--that is fine too. Key in anything is to be yourself and allow people to be who they are--if you want a leader, you recruit one--leadership doesn't have an age limitation. I'm not saying older players shouldn't be respected, I'm saying they should add whatever to the team they can in a manner that fits who they are as people/players. Some guys are leaders off the court and are there to talk to younger guys about off court stuff but on the court they are quiet and just play ball--others are up in guys faces on the court and quiet as can be off it. I don't think anyone is wrong in their viewpoint, but I'm just speaking on my experiences on what seems to work and others can as well--you don't have to be a great athlete to know what makes a team win--everyone has participated in some sort of team setting--be it sports or business and to win you have to be accepting of your role in the team--leaders are born and natural, just as other facets are--if you force leadership on someone or ask a leader to be quiet--you will fail.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Dec 15, 2006 12:20:27 GMT -5
Hate to rain on the parade, but I don't think Roy is anywhere near consistent enough to be a leader night in and night out. Yes, he had a great game against ORU but in the games before that the team played better on offense when he wasn't in there. I think Roy is capable of giving the team a big spark when he's doing well, but my observation is that Jon is the floor manager and Jeff a "lead by example" guy.
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Post by hoyaeighties on Dec 20, 2006 14:14:04 GMT -5
mapai...the guards are not gettting him the ball quick enough in the post...they are not looking down there to make the entry pass to Roy Royyyyyyyy Royyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 21, 2006 0:22:32 GMT -5
after tonite i agree with fan of the game its jon wallace the steady dagger and still dajuann summers for big east roy yup over harris et el g ohoyas beat a good navy team 69 to win not 70 ;D ;D
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 24, 2006 14:05:59 GMT -5
"We feed off of that," Georgetown center Roy Hibbert (15 points, seven rebounds) said. "I love it. That's the Jeff I see every day in practice. Jeff is always the leader out there. It starts with him. And it's scary for other teams to see Jeff like that. Because once he gets it, he's either going to score or help somebody else score."
I revived this thread because of the above Hibbert statement. It seems neither Jeff nor Roy have the personality to be the emotional leader for this team on a consistant basis unless there is some external stimuli, i.e. revenge for a team showing them up last year(Hibbert in Vanderbilt game) or cheap shot by opposing player(Jeff in Navy game). Somebody has got to play with a chip on their shoulder every game to light the fire under the rest of the team who may have come out flat. That has to be one of the starters, or the first guy off the bench. It can not be the 6th,7th, or 8th player in the depth chart(i.e. Ewing). JT2 had the whole team primed for each game with the "Us against the world " attitude. Basketball like all sports has an emotional component. Those teams that can execute the x's & o's while at the same times generating a high emotional state are the great teams. Florida is a very talented team, but what sets them apart from other talented teams is the emotional state they can rise to with the play of Jachim Noah. He is the guy whose emotion takes that team from a good team to a potential great team again this year. JT3 does not have, or has not found that guy on this Hoya team yet.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 25, 2006 3:05:03 GMT -5
Well put, Oldie...
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