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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 5, 2006 16:57:35 GMT -5
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Dec 5, 2006 17:03:20 GMT -5
Not a problem -- and while Plotkin is a blowhard, his alma mater certainly does its part. GW's partnership with the School Without Walls (a DC public high school that is regularly listed as one of the top in the nation) is a phenomenal achievement that was the baby of soon to be professor emeritus Steve Trachtenberg. In addition to providing a programmatic relationship, the university and school have entered into a development partnership that will allow the high school to basically double its size; GW will pay $12 million for a back parking lot that it can use to build a new residence hall. Incidentially, today is Steve Trachtenberg day in the District of Columbia. The City Council announced it this morning. I don't think anyone is arguing that GW does not give back to the city, but this also reminds me of two public charter high schools with strong GU Law ties- the Maya Angelou schools, co-founded by James Forman, a GU Law prof and former public defender, and the Thurgood Marshall school, opened by GU Law alums.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 5, 2006 17:04:19 GMT -5
I've recently decided that I never want to see us play UMD because I would probably hurt myself if we lost, not to mention the years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars of counseling to clear the trauma, and if we won, the celebration would set me back at least a semester, assuming I made it through it all alive.
Anyway this whole BB&T thing....it sucks. Even before when it was a real tournement it wasn't all that great.
As I see it, they need us to join so that it will matter to the people in Bristol, that a paper outside DC will cover it, the city will actually pay attention to it, etc. You'd think that with 3/4 or 4/5 or whatever teams of the area that it would garner more interest and yet every year it doesn't. I guess we really are a big deal. It has been a dozen years and that thrilling GW/UMCP matchup has yet to be a hit outside Foggy Bottom (that's right, Colonials, the Twerps don't care about you, either). If you add us, even beyond the "ooohhhh looky, UMCP and Gtown haven't played in aaaaages!!" effect, it's a matchup that has national implications and would get the whole ordeal some legitimate attention for once. That's the reason why someone like Plotkin says we're stealing millions--because they know that if we joined they'll actually make a decent penny. The highlights might actually be shown somewhere besides Comcast Sportsnet and Wally Bruckner's evening dish. The city might give a flying crap.
This is all one big compliment and guilt trip. They're frustrated they can't develop a big city tournement worth anything without us. They're jealous of the school. They're P.O.'ed we don't take them as seriously as they take us.
...and they're going to tear us down at every chance they can because of all this.
As someone said before, people only hate on the greats, not the benchwarmers.
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Post by slam on Dec 5, 2006 17:15:37 GMT -5
I've recently decided that I never want to see us play UMD because I would probably hurt myself if we lost you seem to have survived the 2001 sweet 16 ok
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Post by hoyatables on Dec 5, 2006 17:17:07 GMT -5
Not a problem -- and while Plotkin is a blowhard, his alma mater certainly does its part. GW's partnership with the School Without Walls (a DC public high school that is regularly listed as one of the top in the nation) is a phenomenal achievement that was the baby of soon to be professor emeritus Steve Trachtenberg. In addition to providing a programmatic relationship, the university and school have entered into a development partnership that will allow the high school to basically double its size; GW will pay $12 million for a back parking lot that it can use to build a new residence hall. Incidentially, today is Steve Trachtenberg day in the District of Columbia. The City Council announced it this morning. I don't think anyone is arguing that GW does not give back to the city, but this also reminds me of two public charter high schools with strong GU Law ties- the Maya Angelou schools, co-founded by James Forman, a GU Law prof and former public defender, and the Thurgood Marshall school, opened by GU Law alums. That's very interesting -- thanks for the information. I was half hoping someone could share with me some info about Georgetown's ties to public schools.
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Post by paranoya on Dec 5, 2006 17:19:54 GMT -5
Well when I was there Gtown did DC reads which is where gtown kids went to DC public schools and taught some youngsters to read. Not sure if this is around still but it was when I left.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 5, 2006 18:12:35 GMT -5
I mean, I'm totally cool if the reason we don't participate is that Georgetown hates children. The BB&T is lame. Maryland-Notre Dame is a lame marquee game for a "classic". Seeing thousands upon thousands of empty seats at Verizon for the defending A-10 champ whose school is 2 miles from the arena against an ACC school from Virginia is lame. GW is playing in two other "classics" this winter: The Wooden Classic in Anaheim (they play USC; the opener is UCLA-Texas A&M) and the Cable Car Classic (a four team tourney, GW-Air Force and Santa Clara-Colgate). Honestly, the BB&T is probably the third best tourney GW is going to be a part of this year. So "heavy" was the interest in Foggy Bottom for Feinstein's little shindig that I saw signs saying the school was giving away FREE BB&T TICKETS for anyone who attended a GW women's basketball game earlier in the week. So on the plus side, GW women's bball fans really love children. I personally love playing decent teams in front of fans. If Maryland wants to play us, fine. Go set it up. If GW wants to play us, same deal. But let's not pretend, Plotkin, that we're missing out on anything by not being in the BB&T. Maybe a few years ago, when the Texas, Michigan State, UConn, Princeton types were playing there...but not any more. Let's weigh it: Saturday night game on ESPN2 against Duke vs. Sunday afternoon game on local channel against NFL football. This investigative report is lame.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 5, 2006 22:05:35 GMT -5
From the Maryland board:
"The difference here is having a coach that is not all about himself - but rather finds his grounding in his school. Gary is first and foremost about Maryland -- part of that is the school's place in the community, another part of that is the school's obligation to the state, another part of that is giving kids frm lesser backgrounds a chance -- while undersanding that you need to pay something back."
St. Gary! I love it!
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 5, 2006 22:37:38 GMT -5
From the Maryland board: "The difference here is having a coach that is not all about himself - but rather finds his grounding in his school. Gary is first and foremost about Maryland -- part of that is the school's place in the community, another part of that is the school's obligation to the state, another part of that is giving kids frm lesser backgrounds a chance -- while undersanding that you need to pay something back." As long as you don't have to play GW.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Dec 5, 2006 22:40:56 GMT -5
Not entirely related, but I'm watching CSN and we were the first thing they showed...GW was showed later, after a segment about Towson. OOOOHHH DISSSSS. Out of curiosity does anyone know why the only way to get GW highlights is to see them from the corner baseline? Busch league. So 1100 SAT's. *spits*
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 5, 2006 22:52:41 GMT -5
From the Maryland board: "The difference here is having a coach that is not all about himself - but rather finds his grounding in his school. Gary is first and foremost about Maryland -- part of that is the school's place in the community, another part of that is the school's obligation to the state, another part of that is giving kids frm lesser backgrounds a chance -- while undersanding that you need to pay something back." St. Gary! I love it! As long as you don't have to get those kids from lesser backgrounds to graduate.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2006 22:55:36 GMT -5
From the Maryland board: "The difference here is having a coach that is not all about himself - but rather finds his grounding in his school. Gary is first and foremost about Maryland -- part of that is the school's place in the community, another part of that is the school's obligation to the state, another part of that is giving kids frm lesser backgrounds a chance -- while undersanding that you need to pay something back." St. Gary! I love it! If he thinks so much about Maryland why is he playing in a classic for a DC-based charity?
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Post by miamihoya on Dec 5, 2006 23:11:09 GMT -5
If anyone is watching the Jimmy V classic game between Louisville-Arizona, Dickie V just joined into this discussion calling for Georgetown and Maryland to play on a yearly basis...then he said something about Duke because he is contractually obligated to mention them every other sentence.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 5, 2006 23:15:44 GMT -5
Who cares about Dickie V? What about Pitino's hair? Is it still slicked in place?
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 6, 2006 0:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 6, 2006 0:16:10 GMT -5
send mr.plotikin the above piece and volunteerism at gu and any other data especially on athletes volunteering go hoyas ;D ;D
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 6, 2006 1:32:47 GMT -5
lic, I don't think Mr. Plotkin is interested in any actual information or facts that do not fit his agenda so it would fall on deaf ears (or blind eyes, take your choice)
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 6, 2006 9:06:01 GMT -5
I mean, I'm totally cool if the reason we don't participate is that Georgetown hates children. That's good stuff there...
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Post by haydenmac on Dec 6, 2006 10:51:37 GMT -5
Right. Georgetown doesn't do Kids & Cops, either.
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Post by Oh My! on Dec 6, 2006 11:15:31 GMT -5
What type of unbiased "investigation" could Plotkin possibly conduct? This guy should be given free tickets to a Hoya home game, in the same section as the 100's of DC Public School children who get comp tickets to every game.
I personally think giving tickets to games is giving back to the community, whereas forming a "tournament" that generates VERY little revenue (a large percentage of which goes to the costs of running both the event AND the charity it "supports") has likely NEVER reached "millions" raised.
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