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Post by vcjack on Nov 20, 2006 1:09:46 GMT -5
I understand why many people, especially allumns, are concerned that we acted in a way that was immature and beneath us. I respect that, but as a student who was right up against those obnoxious ODU people, you can't sit back and take that. It was not about being a sore looser, you can't take a beating lying down, you fight back.
As us Irish say, if you plan on picking a fight, you better go for the kill because if you don't, we'll fight to the end.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 20, 2006 1:12:42 GMT -5
I understand why many people, especially allumns, are concerned that we acted in a way that was immature and beneath us. I respect that, but as a student who was right up against those obnoxious ODU people, you can't sit back and take that. It was not about being a sore looser, you can't take a beating lying down, you fight back. As us Irish say, if you plan on picking a fight, you better go for the kill because if you don't, we'll fight to the end. So how come none of the cheers lasted until the end of the possession?
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Post by vcjack on Nov 20, 2006 1:19:46 GMT -5
So how come none of the cheers lasted until the end of the possession?[/quote]
That's a different problem, and you're right: "you only sing when you're winning" applies to today's crowd, but blaming the students for sticking up for themselves won't solve the problem
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 1:21:26 GMT -5
Thank g-d the fans of ODU don't know the Chelsea/lots of EPL team "you only sing when you're winning" song - that certainly applied to us tonight.
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Post by htownhoya09 on Nov 20, 2006 1:25:44 GMT -5
I agree that the cheering tonight was pretty sub-par, especially considering they would end even before the end of the possession. However, I feel like blaming Hoya Blue for this is absolutely absurd. Everyone here seems to be overestimated the full capabilities of Hoya Blue. Just think about it. Probably half (if not more) of the student season ticket holders this year are freshman. If the only two games you EVER saw in person as a Georgetown Basketball fan were a close victory against a not so good Hartford team and then losing at McDonough against ODU, I don't think you would be too excited about the Hoya team. Keep in mind, most of these fans have only been fans for a few months now. Give them a break. Winning will solve everything.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 20, 2006 1:27:05 GMT -5
Let's face it, going to games has become the new "thing to do" and most new fans haven't learned what to do yet. That's ok, they'll learn. For those of us who suffered for years and still call G'town hoops a religion (buffalo, bando, drummer, tables, FL, nitro, drumsgobang, the list goes on and on), this is just a step back. For the kids who are used to Ws, this is a big deal. For the rest of us, let's not overstate the importance of it. Either way though, never forget the Fourth Rule: (self-Edited because I did, in fact, sound like a jerk).
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 20, 2006 1:29:17 GMT -5
I agree that the cheering tonight was pretty sub-par, especially considering they would end even before the end of the possession. However, I feel like blaming Hoya Blue for this is absolutely absurd. Everyone here seems to be overestimated the full capabilities of Hoya Blue. Just think about it. Probably half (if not more) of the student season ticket holders this year are freshman. If the only two games you EVER saw in person as a Georgetown Basketball fan were a close victory against a not so good Hartford team and then losing at McDonough against ODU, I don't think you would be too excited about the Hoya team. Keep in mind, most of these fans have only been fans for a few months now. Give them a break. Winning will solve everything. It is Hoya Blue's job to teach these people how to be good fans.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 1:30:10 GMT -5
I agree that the cheering tonight was pretty sub-par, especially considering they would end even before the end of the possession. However, I feel like blaming Hoya Blue for this is absolutely absurd. Everyone here seems to be overestimated the full capabilities of Hoya Blue. Just think about it. Probably half (if not more) of the student season ticket holders this year are freshman. If the only two games you EVER saw in person as a Georgetown Basketball fan were a close victory against a not so good Hartford team and then losing at McDonough against ODU, I don't think you would be too excited about the Hoya team. Keep in mind, most of these fans have only been fans for a few months now. Give them a break. Winning will solve everything. On that same point - that means these student fans are going to be pretty depressed. It will be interesting to see if they are too depreseed to get on the Metro and show up in good numbers to the Ball State game.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 20, 2006 1:35:43 GMT -5
For a lot of freshman, the first experiance was actually watching the Duke game on ESPN. For some (like myself), it was part of the reason why we are here and not in Durham, to be a part of that Hoya basketball experiance.
And that means being a Hoya every day, no matter what
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Post by htownhoya09 on Nov 20, 2006 1:42:18 GMT -5
I agree that the cheering tonight was pretty sub-par, especially considering they would end even before the end of the possession. However, I feel like blaming Hoya Blue for this is absolutely absurd. Everyone here seems to be overestimated the full capabilities of Hoya Blue. Just think about it. Probably half (if not more) of the student season ticket holders this year are freshman. If the only two games you EVER saw in person as a Georgetown Basketball fan were a close victory against a not so good Hartford team and then losing at McDonough against ODU, I don't think you would be too excited about the Hoya team. Keep in mind, most of these fans have only been fans for a few months now. Give them a break. Winning will solve everything. It is Hoya Blue's job to teach these people how to be good fans. You're right, but I think that is a lot easier said than done. Hoya Blue can help the process, but, inevitabily, its going to take a big win to make everyone good fans. And even though, I find it to be very naiive to assume that all the students will be good fans.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 20, 2006 1:50:31 GMT -5
"a Hoya every day, no matter what"
you got it, vcjack.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 20, 2006 2:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 2:16:10 GMT -5
He didn't "audition" he is a goon.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 20, 2006 2:18:27 GMT -5
My bigger concern on the ass hole chant is that, although its rare...its within the referee's purview to call a technical foul on the crowd, if its the home team. So it could hypothetically hurt the team if the ref has an itchy trigger finger. i find it totally disrespectful to those who bring young children to the game for a family event. to do it in a public arena is one thing, to do in the gym of a religious school is pathetic
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 20, 2006 2:59:16 GMT -5
1. Ever notice these threads only pop up after a loss?
2. It's unfortunate that crowds resort to profanity and sometimes go over the line. But in a sport like basketball or football, where everyone is expected to cheer, how do you change that? The coach can comment, Hoya Blue can work hard, but unsurprisingly college students can be profane and sometimes go over the line.
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Post by miamihoya on Nov 20, 2006 3:23:54 GMT -5
1. Ever notice these threads only pop up after a loss? Yup...same thing happened last year after the WVU game. The opposing fans always seem more obnoxious and loud when they win, and the home fans always seem more quiet and disrespectful when they lose. None of this was an issue when we beat Duke in an arena that was nearly 50% full of duke fans.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 20, 2006 9:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 20, 2006 9:34:11 GMT -5
It is Hoya Blue's job to teach these people how to be good fans. You're right, but I think that is a lot easier said than done. Hoya Blue can help the process, but, inevitabily, its going to take a big win to make everyone good fans. And even though, I find it to be very naiive to assume that all the students will be good fans. I think you are underestimating how much influence Hoya Blue can have on the student section. First of all, you don't need all students--you just need a bunch of people throughout the student section and then the rest will follow. And I think all of the upperclassman already got their big win--they just need to be reminded of what they should be doing. Plus there were all the GAAPers at the Cuse game last year, so they should have a clue about what a good student section is like. I know that there are a lot of freshmen, but like all freshmen, they'll follow the herd--if it sounds like most people are cheering, they'll join in.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Nov 20, 2006 16:57:02 GMT -5
i find it totally disrespectful to those who bring young children to the game for a family event. to do it in a public arena is one thing, to do in the gym of a religious school is pathetic MrSixer did you go to college? Was it a long time ago, because you certainly seem to have forgotten what it's like to be in college. Perhaps the rather vocal group complaining are too far removed from their degrees to remember that part of the college basketball experience is the fact that it involves people in college. Will I go to a game a scream profanities today when I'm 7 years removed from my undergrad experience, no probably not (well, at least not as often). Did I when I had a pitcher or two of Busch in me and I was suffering through a terrible season of Esh... of course! If people feel the sensibilities of their young children are irreperably harmed merely by hearing a crowd chant some words, then clearly they are raising some really pampered children. Is it religious? No, it's not. But I'm guessing there are more than a few things that occur on the hilltop that wouldn't be sanctioned by the pope. From where this program has been in the recent past, I'm happy with students at the games chanting anything at all. As for the opposite side of this argument -- losing at home to a weaker team in a place that I'm quite certain didn't have a good parking situation is gonna send fans to the exits early. This might not make them true fans in some people's eyes (myself included), but it's just a fact of life. Additionally, alumni aren't gonna be up off their seats screaming for 40 minutes straight, no matter how die hard they are, and there is nothing that hoyablue or any other group can really do about it. A winning team playing good basketball is the best way to get the alums and non-student fans excited about the program. As it seems that neither were in evidence last night, it's not shocking that some fans took the night off as well.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 20, 2006 16:59:56 GMT -5
i find it totally disrespectful to those who bring young children to the game for a family event. to do it in a public arena is one thing, to do in the gym of a religious school is pathetic MrSixer did you go to college? Was it a long time ago, because you certainly seem to have forgotten what it's like to be in college. Perhaps the rather vocal group complaining are too far removed from their degrees to remember that part of the college basketball experience is the fact that it involves people in college. Will I go to a game a scream profanities today when I'm 7 years removed from my undergrad experience, no probably not (well, at least not as often). Did I when I had a pitcher or two of Busch in me and I was suffering through a terrible season of Esh... of course! If people feel the sensibilities of their young children are irreperably harmed merely by hearing a crowd chant some words, then clearly they are raising some really pampered children. Is it religious? No, it's not. But I'm guessing there are more than a few things that occur on the hilltop that wouldn't be sanctioned by the pope. From where this program has been in the recent past, I'm happy with students at the games chanting anything at all. As for the opposite side of this argument -- losing at home to a weaker team in a place that I'm quite certain didn't have a good parking situation is gonna send fans to the exits early. This might not make them true fans in some people's eyes (myself included), but it's just a fact of life. Additionally, alumni aren't gonna be up off their seats screaming for 40 minutes straight, no matter how die hard they are, and there is nothing that hoyablue or any other group can really do about it. A winning team playing good basketball is the best way to get the alums and non-student fans excited about the program. As it seems that neither were in evidence last night, it's not shocking that some fans took the night off as well. The ratio of students to alumni was probably 4:1, meaning that most of the people leaving early and not cheering were probably students
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