|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 19, 2006 21:31:18 GMT -5
Throughout the entire game Hoya Blue was trying to keep most of the cheers positive and keep them going. The only problem comes when there are really only 10 of us starting cheers, there are many more other students and alumni, and people tend to focus on the negative when things are going badly, not the positive. But I do agree, the Bull* cheer did get used way too much and screaming at the other fans after the game is poor sportsmanship (an exception would be those fans that came over to us, and he deserved that). If you don't want to have people doing cheers you don't like then you should put out cheer sheets at the game.
|
|
PhillyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,016
|
Post by PhillyHoya on Nov 19, 2006 21:43:25 GMT -5
The cheers that went too far were only done by a small handful of kids. Rather than their behavior Editeding me off (although it did, and at times was warranted by the just as - if not more - obnoxious ODU fans in the front row), what Editeded me off was the lack of support from the west side of McD. Except for the students in the corner, they sat there silent the entire game until very late in the second half despite constant tries from the other side to get them up. It is frankly pathetic that 2850 of us can be outyelled by 150 opposing fans but all too often, I heard them over our cheers. The east side of the arena tried their best but without the other side helping out, it wasn't gonna happen.
|
|
tal1286
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Non-national Restaurant Chains!
Posts: 307
|
Post by tal1286 on Nov 19, 2006 21:46:23 GMT -5
HoyaBlue and the rest of the students should quit being so loud when we're on offense. "Let's Go Hoyas" is a great cheer, but there's no need to scream it as loud as you can when JTIII and John Wallace are trying to run our offense. Let's be crazy loud while we're on defense but when we're trying to score, let's let the boys do their work. -Keenan Steiner, Class of 2007 Maybe I'm wrong but don't defenses need to communicate about picks or screens, switches, and calling for help and such? I would almost think that it would be better to be loud on offense considering that a team can call a play or a set with a hand motion or by holding a number up and then they know what is coming and where everyone will be whereas the defense needs to communicate. In my opinion, this isn't football where being loud on defense can cost a team 5 yards or a timeout. Let's just be loud all the time. Now, I didn't play varsity basketball in high school so I could very well be wrong but based on the games I played with my friends and in the town league that makes sense. Could someone who is more versed in basketball answer that for me?
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 19, 2006 21:53:58 GMT -5
The cheers that went too far were only done by a small handful of kids. Rather than their behavior Editeding me off (although it did, and at times was warranted by the just as - if not more - obnoxious ODU fans in the front row), what Editeded me off was the lack of support from the west side of McD. Except for the students in the corner, they sat there silent the entire game until very late in the second half despite constant tries from the other side to get them up. It is frankly pathetic that 2850 of us can be outyelled by 150 opposing fans but all too often, I heard them over our cheers. The east side of the arena tried their best but without the other side helping out, it wasn't gonna happen. Um, I was there it was loud, but it was hard to hear the cheers that were being started from the other sections - often we were off or we were behind so people just gave up.
|
|
tal1286
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Non-national Restaurant Chains!
Posts: 307
|
Post by tal1286 on Nov 19, 2006 21:58:30 GMT -5
The cheers that went too far were only done by a small handful of kids. Rather than their behavior Editeding me off (although it did, and at times was warranted by the just as - if not more - obnoxious ODU fans in the front row), what Editeded me off was the lack of support from the west side of McD. Except for the students in the corner, they sat there silent the entire game until very late in the second half despite constant tries from the other side to get them up. It is frankly pathetic that 2850 of us can be outyelled by 150 opposing fans but all too often, I heard them over our cheers. The east side of the arena tried their best but without the other side helping out, it wasn't gonna happen. In other words you're saying the alumni and other non-students at the game were too quiet. I think that's what you're getting at. That seems like most college athletic events. I mean, the students stand the entire time and the alumni don't. I remember going to Notre Dame football games when I was much younger and sitting in the Alumni section. The alumni would comment on the passion of the students and marvel that they stand the entire game. I've been to Nova games and most of the noise comes from the student section. Again, their students stand the entire time and the alumni and other season ticket holders don't. I don't think this is that remarkable though it probably shouldn't happen. Also, I think that the fact that we could hear the ODU fans so clearly has something to do with the acoustics of the arena. It's a small dome type thing and while it makes our cheering so loud that my ears were ringing when I left, a smaller group of people could also make a lot of noise.
|
|
|
Post by HoyaOnBothSides on Nov 19, 2006 22:01:06 GMT -5
Are we really talking about this? We expect this team to win games with at-best neutral and probably hostile crowds in giant arenas in the NCAAs and we think sub-par CROWD PARTICIPATION is any kind of determining factor in a small arena against an incredibly mediocre team? If we even need to have this debate, this team is in big, big trouble...
|
|
YB
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,494
|
Post by YB on Nov 19, 2006 22:02:53 GMT -5
Guys- this was a rough loss, a brutal loss- but no need to turn the vitriol on each other. We didn't lose this game. The team did- and how- so let's keep it on that, eh?
|
|
miamihoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Posts: 698
|
Post by miamihoya on Nov 19, 2006 22:17:49 GMT -5
Its really easy to criticize the students for being too rowdy or offensive in chanting, but at least we were up making noise and backing the team. The same can't be said for the majority of the other side of the arena, where what i'm presuming to be alumni and parents, sat with their arms crossed the whole game. Its a sporting event, and theirs nothing wrong with showing passion and backing them team, whether it be simple chants like "lets go hoyas", or even "bull" and "a-hole" chants.
|
|
PhillyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,016
|
Post by PhillyHoya on Nov 19, 2006 22:44:51 GMT -5
Also, I think that the fact that we could hear the ODU fans so clearly has something to do with the acoustics of the arena. It's a small dome type thing and while it makes our cheering so loud that my ears were ringing when I left, a smaller group of people could also make a lot of noise. No, it wasn't acoustics. It was the fact that student cheers, as TBird said, faded after 10 seconds. I was right smack in the middle of the student section next to the ODU people and people tried to keep cheers going to no avail. And again, I'm not criticizing the entire west side of the arena. The students over there worked hard. But the other 2/3 of that side were just a let down. Even the most curmudgeonly alums at MCI get up once in awhile. 95% of those people sat on their hands until the last few minutes. If even 25 of them got up the ODU fans could've been drowned out. I'm not blaming the loss on the cheering. I agree, the team lost, we didn't. But our performance could've been a lot better as well.
|
|
miamihoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Posts: 698
|
Post by miamihoya on Nov 19, 2006 22:46:52 GMT -5
In all fairness that one ODU fan in the front could have yelled over the entire gym if he wanted to...obnoxious fans like those only make the loss that much harder to swallow
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 19, 2006 22:59:51 GMT -5
As YB said - we're all fans. If someone isn't enough of a fan for you just keep quiet and be happy they came.
|
|
JimmyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Hoya fan, est. 1986
Posts: 1,867
|
Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 19, 2006 23:02:14 GMT -5
You all need hobbies.
|
|
|
Post by HfieldHoya08 on Nov 19, 2006 23:08:41 GMT -5
I'm just remembering the game at McD last year against Stetson (note: a sub-300 RPI team), and the place was INSANE, all the fans were cheering and hearing EVERYONE at McD singing the fight song during the timeouts was incredble... that place can definitely be rocking, but tonight there was just a lower intensity level. Obviously, blowing a team out by 20 will get more fan craziness than a loss, but at that game there was just a better intensity/fan cheering, etc. from the start. It IS possible to rock the McD... I think we've all seen it done.
|
|
|
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 19, 2006 23:56:57 GMT -5
You're d*** right Hfield.
First rule: Fan intensity should increase when we're down. Second rule: Fan intensity should further increase when we build a lead. Third rule: Fan intensity should peak when team needs us the most. That's why we're there. We actually do help will them on. Fourth rule & Fifth rule: (self-edited out based on the reasonable arguments of fellow posters).
Not that I'm gonna call anyone a pushyguy .... :-))
If you wanna cry and moan about tonight, go ahead. Just don't forget to count your lucky stars that you didn't have to sit through them same four years of Hoya hoops that hoyatables and hoyadrummer had to suffer through.
|
|
YB
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,494
|
Post by YB on Nov 20, 2006 0:03:24 GMT -5
I still fail to see why it helps to pile on each other. It was not the fans fault we lost. The fans were hustling, which is more than we can say for the team.
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 0:26:41 GMT -5
As TBird has pointed out there were differences between the Stetson game and the ODU game that were very evident: cheer sheets, yell leaders, and people with megaphones in more than one position.
|
|
|
Post by redskins12820 on Nov 20, 2006 1:01:16 GMT -5
As TBird has pointed out there were differences between the Stetson game and the ODU game that were very evident: cheer sheets, yell leaders, and people with megaphones in more than one position. No, the main difference was that the Stetson game was on saturday night so all the students were drunk and loud. We need to do away with these sunday night games ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 1:02:49 GMT -5
As TBird has pointed out there were differences between the Stetson game and the ODU game that were very evident: cheer sheets, yell leaders, and people with megaphones in more than one position. No, the main difference was that the Stetson game was on saturday night so all the students were drunk and loud. We need to do away with these sunday night games ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) So, saturday + booze = more docile and family-friendly student section? ;D ;D ;D ;D Well, I see one way it could be family friendly ... ;D
|
|
|
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 20, 2006 1:05:09 GMT -5
as in friendly toward making families, st. pete?
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 20, 2006 1:06:04 GMT -5
as in friendly toward making families, st. pete? DING DING DING. Ok, off to feed Chiefkickingstallionsims Medlock.
|
|