TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 15, 2006 14:27:53 GMT -5
Most of that analysis was based on the fact that Ted Skuchas shut Hibbert down last year, and if you saw Skooch play at all last year, you would know that he is not an SEC caliber level player. He was absolutely demolished by Noah, Horford, Davis, Thomas, Davidson, etc. in the SEC last year but outplayed Hibbert in their matchup. Now Hibberty may have gotten better, but I'm sure that is what their analysis is based on. It's almost like people on your board predicting that VU will only score 50 points in their own house playing a more uptempo game. In my 5 years following VU, they never scored under 50 once (not even against the great UK teams who played hellacious defense). I also think one factor you all are underestimating is the effect that playing in Memorial Gymnasium (NOT Memorial Colliseum- that is is Lexington, KY). SEC teams still struggle there and they play there once a year. The thing is, they can try and run all they want, but Georgetown is going to dictate the pace of the game, just like they did in every game last year and the year before (after beginning to grasp the offense). 50 points is not unreasonable considering how slow we're willing to go (if we play good defense as well).
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Post by godores2005 on Nov 15, 2006 14:57:19 GMT -5
The thing is, though, we ran the same offense last year as you all run and we can run a slower offense as well, if it comes down to it.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 15, 2006 15:27:42 GMT -5
The thing is, though, we ran the same offense last year as you all run and we can run a slower offense as well, if it comes down to it. Though not as slow as our offense last year. Georgetown had the 7th slowest pace in the nation (328th fastest), whereas Vandy ran a more uptempo princeton (287th fastest)
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Post by hifigator on Nov 15, 2006 15:51:53 GMT -5
Most of that analysis was based on the fact that Ted Skuchas shut Hibbert down last year, and if you saw Skooch play at all last year, you would know that he is not an SEC caliber level player. He was absolutely demolished by Noah, Horford, Davis, Thomas, Davidson, etc. in the SEC last year but outplayed Hibbert in their matchup. Now Hibberty may have gotten better, but I'm sure that is what their analysis is based on. It's almost like people on your board predicting that VU will only score 50 points in their own house playing a more uptempo game. In my 5 years following VU, they never scored under 50 once (not even against the great UK teams who played hellacious defense). I also think one factor you all are underestimating is the effect that playing in Memorial Gymnasium (NOT Memorial Colliseum- that is is Lexington, KY). SEC teams still struggle there and they play there once a year. You do make one good point .... your gym sucks! How do you get away with an illegal court like that? I mean talk about a home court advantage .... the floor is elevated and the benches are on the ends of the courts instead of the sides. And from what all the players say, it is a very difficult place to get comfortable from for your outside shots. The backdrop is very deceiving. That accounts for the large disparity in shooting percentage difference. I forget the exact numbers but I saw them posted somewhere last season. Now you do expect to shoot better at home obviously, but it was something like a 40% difference over several years. (Vandy shot an average of 30% higher from the arc at home than their opponents but 10% lower than their opponents from the arc on the road). I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something like that. Vandy needs to take advantage of that new arena where the SEC tourny was held last year. I have heard absolutely nothing but rave reviews about that place ... of course why would they want to when they have such an unfair advantage?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 15, 2006 15:56:42 GMT -5
If they plan man we won't need to be shooting threes.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 15, 2006 15:57:38 GMT -5
I agree about the huge homecourt advantage for Vandy. They only lost SIX TIMES all last year. I mean, I can't think of any team that lost fewer than six times at home
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 15, 2006 16:07:22 GMT -5
yeah hifigator being a loser troll has reached new heights. he is now chiming in on a contest between two teams, neither of which is Florida.
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Post by HealyHoya on Nov 15, 2006 17:08:33 GMT -5
Look, play the odds Hoya fans: Vandy will score more than 50. So what? Who cares?
But, come on, Vandy? up-tempo? Or even faster tempo? The ability to increase tempo relies on defensive rebounding -- that allows the strong outlet pass and the run out...
Vandy has a huge rebounding disadvantage.
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Post by godores2005 on Nov 15, 2006 17:15:16 GMT -5
Last year was the worst year ever at Memorial. We lost at home to LSU and Florida (2 Final Four teams), Tennessee (blew that game big time- up 12 pts or so in 2nd half), Cincinnati (another good team who just out-athleted us), South Carolina (perfect example of how to lose by missing free throws in the last minute), and Georgia (totally unexcuseable). By my count, that is 4 "good" losses and 2 not so good ones.
I don't know how much you all know about our team last season, but the season was over before it began when Mario Moore tested positive for cocaine (though this didn't come out until after the season). Suffice it to say, there were a lot of behind the scenes issues that just killed any chemistry we might have had.
Not making excuses, but just trying to show that last year was about as bad as it gets in Memorial. We should have won at least 3 of those game (UT, USC, UGA) but just didn't (we beat USC and UGA on the road).
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 15, 2006 17:25:01 GMT -5
Most of that analysis was based on the fact that Ted Skuchas shut Hibbert down last year, and if you saw Skooch play at all last year, you would know that he is not an SEC caliber level player. He was absolutely demolished by Noah, Horford, Davis, Thomas, Davidson, etc. in the SEC last year but outplayed Hibbert in their matchup. Now Hibberty may have gotten better, but I'm sure that is what their analysis is based on. It's almost like people on your board predicting that VU will only score 50 points in their own house playing a more uptempo game. In my 5 years following VU, they never scored under 50 once (not even against the great UK teams who played hellacious defense). I also think one factor you all are underestimating is the effect that playing in Memorial Gymnasium (NOT Memorial Colliseum- that is is Lexington, KY). SEC teams still struggle there and they play there once a year. You do make one good point .... your gym stinks! How do you get away with an illegal court like that? I mean talk about a home court advantage .... the floor is elevated and the benches are on the ends of the courts instead of the sides. And from what all the players say, it is a very difficult place to get comfortable from for your outside shots. The backdrop is very deceiving. That accounts for the large disparity in shooting percentage difference. I forget the exact numbers but I saw them posted somewhere last season. Now you do expect to shoot better at home obviously, but it was something like a 40% difference over several years. (Vandy shot an average of 30% higher from the arc at home than their opponents but 10% lower than their opponents from the arc on the road). I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something like that. Vandy needs to take advantage of that new arena where the SEC tourny was held last year. I have heard absolutely nothing but rave reviews about that place ... of course why would they want to when they have such an unfair advantage? MOD WARNING: KNOCK IT OFF, HIFI. Posts aimed at agitating or baiting other posters here, especially guests who are well behaved and are offering something significant to the basketball discussion of the game at hand, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. The next one will be pulled without warning.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 15, 2006 17:27:35 GMT -5
well i am hoping you do better this year as well because after Roy eats every non-Hoya man, woman and child in Memorial Stadium or whatever it is called, then proceeds to take a dump on center court, then score 22 and grabs 12 boards...and we beat you by 5...i am hoping you win out from there and help our RPI.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 15, 2006 17:29:19 GMT -5
Last year was the worst year ever at Memorial. We lost at home to LSU and Florida (2 Final Four teams), Tennessee (blew that game big time- up 12 pts or so in 2nd half), Cincinnati (another good team who just out-athleted us), South Carolina (perfect example of how to lose by missing free throws in the last minute), and Georgia (totally unexcuseable). By my count, that is 4 "good" losses and 2 not so good ones. I don't know how much you all know about our team last season, but the season was over before it began when Mario Moore tested positive for cocaine (though this didn't come out until after the season). Suffice it to say, there were a lot of behind the scenes issues that just killed any chemistry we might have had. Not making excuses, but just trying to show that last year was about as bad as it gets in Memorial. We should have won at least 3 of those game (UT, USC, UGA) but just didn't (we beat USC and UGA on the road). I didn't know that about Moore. I don't think anyone here is underestimating Memorial as a venue. The fact that the game is on the road certainly figures in many of the predictions here. But the Hoyas play in some pretty tough venues every year during Big East play - the RAC, Nova's campus home court, at UCONN, and the Zoo at Pitt all come to mind. Hope you enjoy the game tonight. Oh please, please, please, beat Florida.
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Post by hoyas2008 on Nov 15, 2006 17:42:35 GMT -5
you cannot say the words "caliber level" right after each other. It is repetitive.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 15, 2006 17:52:50 GMT -5
you cannot say the words "caliber level" right after each other. It is repetitive. a tautology, like saying "general consensus"
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Post by godores2005 on Nov 15, 2006 19:01:37 GMT -5
So the general consensus around here is that the game tonight will be played at a high caliber level?
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Post by godores2005 on Nov 15, 2006 19:06:40 GMT -5
You do make one good point .... your gym stinks! How do you get away with an illegal court like that? I mean talk about a home court advantage .... the floor is elevated and the benches are on the ends of the courts instead of the sides. And from what all the players say, it is a very difficult place to get comfortable from for your outside shots. The backdrop is very deceiving. That accounts for the large disparity in shooting percentage difference. I forget the exact numbers but I saw them posted somewhere last season. Now you do expect to shoot better at home obviously, but it was something like a 40% difference over several years. (Vandy shot an average of 30% higher from the arc at home than their opponents but 10% lower than their opponents from the arc on the road). I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something like that. Vandy needs to take advantage of that new arena where the SEC tourny was held last year. I have heard absolutely nothing but rave reviews about that place ... of course why would they want to when they have such an unfair advantage? We "get away with it" because the rule was implemented after the gym was built and it was grandfathered in. There are other schools with an elevated floor (Minnesota) but they just don't have the benches on the ends. As far as moving games to Gaylord, first it is off campus and while it is not far away, it is not the same as having a game on campus. Second, the place is a horrible basketball venue. I've been there for the NCAA tourney and SEC Women's tourney and did not like it at all. It is a nice multipurpose arena, but it doesn't compare well at all to Memorial in any facet.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Nov 15, 2006 19:07:59 GMT -5
You do make one good point .... your gym stinks! How do you get away with an illegal court like that? I mean talk about a home court advantage .... the floor is elevated and the benches are on the ends of the courts instead of the sides. And from what all the players say, it is a very difficult place to get comfortable from for your outside shots. The backdrop is very deceiving. That accounts for the large disparity in shooting percentage difference. I forget the exact numbers but I saw them posted somewhere last season. Now you do expect to shoot better at home obviously, but it was something like a 40% difference over several years. (Vandy shot an average of 30% higher from the arc at home than their opponents but 10% lower than their opponents from the arc on the road). I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something like that. Vandy needs to take advantage of that new arena where the SEC tourny was held last year. I have heard absolutely nothing but rave reviews about that place ... of course why would they want to when they have such an unfair advantage? We "get away with it" because the rule was implemented after the gym was built and it was grandfathered in. There are other schools with an elevated floor (Minnesota) but they just don't have the benches on the ends. As far as moving games to Gaylord, first it is off campus and while it is not far away, it is not the same as having a game on campus. Second, the place is a horrible basketball venue. I've been there for the NCAA tourney and SEC Women's tourney and did not like it at all. It is a nice multipurpose arena, but it doesn't compare well at all to Memorial in any facet. For those of you keeping score at home - an on-campus arena > off-campus multi-purpose venue
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Nov 15, 2006 19:43:28 GMT -5
Before I take a few minutes to look it up, does anyone know our record last year in games decided by say 7 points or less?
Thanks. Can't wait for our game to tip off, this Bullets/Knicks game is painful so far.
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