Jeff Green: All-Century?

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Jeff's competition would be Mourning and Sweetney - so that's fairly tough - but do you think he belongs on the all-century team for the modern era? I could see a group that would look something like this:

Ewing, Sleepy, Reggie, Mutombo, Mourning, Iverson, Vic Page, Duren, and Jeff.

Do you think Jeff can make it in that group?

[HoyaSpirit]

Sweets and David Wingate would win out over Vic Page and probably even Mutumbo - and definitely over Jeff, even though I love the guy. I would also take BIG EAST PLAYER OF THE YEAR Charles Smith, his four-year career, increcible clutch performances and all-time last-second game winning shots, and his all around strengths on both defense and offense over Jeff's two year career right now. I don't think they're going to have current players on the list, but who knows.

I think it's fine that they are having three eras, as long as when it comes to the Top 25 overall they pick the best 25 overall and refrain from splitting it 3 ways. They should have at least 11 from the modern era, but even if they do that I don’t see Vic making it.

[HoyaChris]

Can he make it in eventually? Absolutely. Should he be on that list as of right now? No way.

Let's all hope that he has the type of dominant season that would warrant a place on the list.

[CAHoya07]

hoyachris said:

Can he make it in eventually? Absolutely. Should he be on that list as of right now? No way.

Let's all hope that he has the type of dominant season that would warrant a place on the list.

Agreed. Great player, but not dominant yet. Here's hoping for a bust-out season for him this year, though I doubt his stats will ever be too jaw-dropping because of the offense we run and his overall selflessness.

[GIGAFAN99]

hoyachris said:

Can he make it in eventually? Absolutely. Should he be on that list as of right now? No way.

Let's all hope that he has the type of dominant season that would warrant a place on the list.

Vic Page won't make it. And yeah, Jeff is a better basketball player than many who will make the list but he's a junior. Honestly I think Jeff and Roy would both make the 102nd anniversary team. But right now, they won't.

[JimmyHoya]

Adding current players to the list would be a lil awkward.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

jimmyhoya said:

Adding current players to the list would be a lil awkward.

I know it is, but in naming an all-century team that would be exception and not the rule - see Ken Griffey Jr. being on the baseball all-century team, Shaq being on the NBA 50 year team, etc. Jeff is the key player to the turn aroudn and resurgence of the program - he was the key to the Duke game which IMHO was the most significant regular season game in Georgetown history.

[Locker]

gigafan99 said:

hoyachris said:

Can he make it in eventually? Absolutely. Should he be on that list as of right now? No way.

Let's all hope that he has the type of dominant season that would warrant a place on the list.

Vic Page won't make it.

Nor does he deserve to make it. One of the more overrated Hoyas in program history. Shernard Long wasn't as talented, but if I were building a team (of the non-And1 variety), I would have rather had him over Vic.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for Georgia State alum Long to make the team, but against Page's even being in the discussion.

[Filo]

Re: Page

I disagree on the overrated idea. I think Page was a very good to near-great Hoya -- maybe not all-Century, but playing only 2 years sure did not help.

I would be interested in hearing why you would take Long, because there is no comparison stats-wise (more of a team-player type?).

Both played 2 years (Page. v. Long):

Games: 67 v. 59
FG: 399-1027 v. 198-474
FT: 234-331 v. 83-124
REB: 242 v. 184
AST: 130 v. 79
STL: 124 v. 100
BLK: 21 v. 9
PTS : 1146 v. 515
AVG.: 17.1 v. 8.7

Page: Honorable mention All-America, 1997. Leading scorer, 1997. All-Big East first team, 1997.
Long: Leading scorer, 1998.

[hoya73]

If it's Top 25 AllTime, I don't see either Page or Long on the list, even with the advantage of being from the 1973-present era.
I don't know anyone qualified to vote for players from the "Vintage Era" of 1906-1943.
If it's decided by Internet voting, clearly players from the "Classic Era" will be underrepresented. I remember seeing a "100 Best Songs of the Millenium" vote where it was clearly established by web voting that 92 of the best hundred songs written between 1000 AD and 2000 AD were composed after 1970!

[hoya01]

Where's Scruggs?

[mapei]

Page doesn't make my list, either. Nor does Jeff (yet). In a year or two, I hope I can say yes to Jeff!

My starting five are Patrick, Zo, Reggie, Sleepy, and Charles Smith. I'm bringing Zeke, AI, Sweetney, and (personal favorite here) Gene Smith off the bench. I'm starting Charles over AI because he contributed more to the program by playing four years, but I wouldn't argue much with reversing those two.

[SoCal Hoya85]

A.I.'s probable reaction to reading the above post:

Why wouldn't I start? I'm the franchise player here. I don't know any franchise players that come off the bench. I don't know any Olympian that comes off the bench. I don't know any All-Star that comes off the bench. I don't know any former MVP that comes off the bench. I don't know any three-time scoring champion that comes off the bench.

"I don't know any first team All-NBA (player) that comes off the bench. Why Allen Iverson? Why should I come off the bench? ... I think it is an insult to me. Who I am as a player, who I am to this organization, who I've been to this organization, that's an insult to me to come off the bench if I'm a starter."

[JimmyHoya]

I just hope AI shows up. That in and of itself would be solid.

[BigMike]

Well its Possible AI might show up - he has a game in Philly on Feb 9th -- off day on the 10th(day of the ceremony) and a game in Philly on the 11th

[YB]

Jeff has had as much of an impact on the program as any player in their era- and for Jeff it was difficult because he came in the year after our worse season in 30 years.

He won Rookie of the Year.

He led the revival. He's on the list.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

when will the voting start?

[JimmyHoya]

Jeff has to make the list just because he's friggin' Jeff Green and he's awesome. I keep looking over this thread and others and there's nothing I can put a point on as to why he definitively should be on the list other than--and I think a lot of us can agree--he just makes you smile.

Patrick, AI, Mourning and so many others were "dominant." But Jeff? (and to a certain degree Sweets as well) He just makes you smile. Every time he makes a great play the reaction I always have is "Man I love Jeff. I mean I really love him." Maybe it's because he (and Sweets) played on Edited poor teams for some time, maybe it's their demeanors and their workman like attitudes, but even when Jeff makes Pittsnoggle look dumb, it's never "OH SNAP A.I. JUST MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A B****!" it's..."Oh Jeffrey...*smile*"

There's also that superman element to him. Whenever the Hoyas aren't looking so hot, I direct my eyes on #32 and #32 only. The man has something about him that exudes G'town team basketball. As europeans might say, he's our "talisman." I don't think you could say that about many others of the greats--Jeff has that special something to go with his great talent. The others were the focal points--Jeff not so much, yet when the going gets tough, y'all start wishing Jeff Green will come out with one of his tricks, be at a crazy block on a fast break, nifty move in the lane, a 3 pointer or a standing ovation inducing backdoor pass to Tyler Crawford.

Just thinking of Jeff and Sweets spinning someone around and gently dropping the finger roll in the paint makes me giddy. They gotta be on the team. It's a must.

And I want Braswell on that team because he was did the program a helluva service, results or not. 4 year PG starter. He was a rock and he meant a lot.

-one giddy kid's take

[mapei]

>A.I.'s probable reaction to reading the above post:

>Why wouldn't I start? I'm the franchise player here. I don't know any franchise players that come off the bench. I don't know any Olympian that comes off the bench. I don't know any All-Star that comes off the bench. I don't know any former MVP that comes off the bench. I don't know any three-time scoring champion that comes off the bench.

I have no doubt that would be AI's reaction! And that's actually one reason I personally prefer Charles. But, like I said, AI has a strong argument, it's just that I get to make my own fantasy list. And, among other things, I don't care at all what someone did in the NBA or Olympics - I'm just going by what they did at Georgetown, and some very outdated intangibles like how long they were here and how they presented themselves as people.

Hell, they are all great players. I'd put our top 10 up against anybody's.

[prhoya]

Jeff - not yet...