SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 24, 2006 18:07:05 GMT -5
From the RIVALS board today, there is an article on Chris Wright's recruiting. They interviewed him at length. As a pay service, you may not be able to access the interview. But, I will post one excerpt:
Wright insist that not one school favors over any others at this point but he does confirm that he has an offer from Georgetown.
I just thought I'd toss that out there, then let everyone who wishes speculate to their heart's content.
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Post by sweetness on Jul 24, 2006 18:51:30 GMT -5
The one thing I would say on this one is that the interview was with a Depaul website I believe -- I don't blame kids for telling fans of various schools that there is no leader. So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't perceive the situation to be that we've lost ground or anything. Clearly he is taking his time, and I still hope that we are in good shape.
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Post by idhoya on Jul 24, 2006 19:05:18 GMT -5
I do know that Chris doesn't know where he wants to go yet, but from talking to several close sources to the situation I'd say GU is leading.
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Post by dkr354 on Jul 24, 2006 19:21:02 GMT -5
The website is the Wake Forest rivals site and I would guess from what I have read that it will be either Gtown, Pitt, or Wake who gets Wright. My friend who writes for the Wake Forest newspaper and always talks to the players when they visit (including Duke Crews when he was down there) always seem to give off the vibe that they like Skip Prosser but not as much as they like other coaches (apparently like JTIII and Bruce Pearl). The reason many of the players like Wake is because their parents often connect with Prosser so they keep Wake on their final lists but as recent recruiting has shown, they havent signed. Not saying no players will sign at Wake but I think Gtown and Pitt have the best chances by far on Wright.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 24, 2006 21:07:17 GMT -5
and here I thought all the speculation would be about giving him a schollie offer - without any open spots -- instead of the "who is leading" aspect.
Good thing I did't bet on that one!
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 24, 2006 21:20:44 GMT -5
The chances that there is not an NBA defection OR a transfer after this season are quite low, and I think even our most scholarship-concerned fans see that, Saxa . In my opinion Chris is doing exactly what he should be doing, when you consider how his recruiting has gone so far. He made the early choice to go to State, perhaps setting his heart on that, and it ended up not working out. This time, he's not going to rush into something else. He's gonna take his time, thoroughly weigh out all the options, and make a decision that he and his family are 100% comfortable with. After already committing once, to me, that's just the smart thing to do. And for now, the Hoyas are right in the thick of things, which is all you can ask for. We will most likely be on his list of schools for an official visit, unless he feels he knows GU well enough from his unofficial trips. Hopefully we can have him on campus either next month sometime, before school starts, or perhaps in the fall, maybe even at Midnight Madness. I like our chances with Chris at this point, much like I liked our chances with Vernon at this time last summer.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 24, 2006 22:19:08 GMT -5
RB -- I agree with you about the chances of someone leaving for one reason or another and thereby freeing up a schollie. But, there has been a lot of talk about his not committing to us because there was no schollie... and how we might lose him and so forth. That is why I thought it interesting that Wright says he got an offer already.. even though we don't know for sure who will be departing.
As for the "official visit", as far as I know the only difference between and official and unofficial visit is who pays for it. Since he can drive over to campus anytime he wants... and it sounds like he does quite often to play hoops with guys on the team... there is no need to waste a paid/official trip on the Hoyas. He can save the paid trips for Wake or Michigan or wherever else he wants to go.
My gut says we have a better than 50/50 chance with him. But that is TOTAL speculation.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 24, 2006 22:25:45 GMT -5
Until when does he wait (if that is what he is doing) for our scholarship to open up?
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Post by ephoya04 on Jul 25, 2006 7:51:31 GMT -5
I think that all depends on 1-if we are his leader and 2-by how much we are his leader
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Post by Dhall on Jul 25, 2006 8:33:26 GMT -5
If Wright has an offer from GU, there is no reason for him to wait. He accepts the offer if he wants to come to GU and GU would be obligated to give him the scholarship. It's not his problem if there is not a current slot for him, it is GU's problem and worst case is that somebody else on the team would have their scholarship revoked. Bottom line is that Wright is not yet sold on GU or he would accept their offer. I doubt the GU offer says "we are offering you a scholarship if one happens to become available."
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Post by prhoya on Jul 25, 2006 16:21:38 GMT -5
As I understand it, scholarships cannot be taken away from a player to be given to another.
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Post by Dhall on Jul 25, 2006 17:07:24 GMT -5
As I understand it, scholarships are made available on a yearly basis, and to some extent a semester-by-semester basis, but I admit I'm not an expert on the topic. Anybody who has watched the Hoyas program over the years would have seen players forced out or "mutually agree" to leave the program for academic or basketball reasons.
If GU makes Chris Wright an offer for a scholarship, then there is no way he is risking anything by accepting the scholarship regardless of the current scholarship situation. If I were a current player on the team who hasn't seen the floor in Big East play or who hasn't been doing well in class, I'd be nervous though.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Jul 25, 2006 18:20:41 GMT -5
There is NO way any coach in D-I ball pulls a scholly: it'd be an absolute career suicide. Yes, technically it's possible, but the repercussions for recruiting could be devastating. EVERY coach will use that against that school. There are really no cases I can think of where a high-major coach has pulled a scholly. It might as well be forbidden by the NCAA, that's how seldom it happens, if at all. So it's really not an option. Usually players unhappy with PT see the writing on the wall and transfer on their own. Even in those cases, it's actually very important for the school losing the player that the player leaves reasonably content. Bad-mouthing is really bad: "Coach told me he wanted me, then recruited over me and sat me on the bench." Once that gets around, it can be like poison.
A good example for transfers that had pretty negative consequences for Esherick recruiting-wise were when Hall and Bethel left. Without getting into details and Esh-bashing, their departure left a bad taste in a lot of DC HS players and coaches, and further harmed Esh locally.
Anyway, I can't imagine Jeff stays beyond next year, and there's little reason to worry that we won't have room for Chris Wright in a year's time IMO.
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Post by RDF on Jul 25, 2006 23:51:34 GMT -5
Pops told Charles Smith in middle of his Sophomore season to either step his game up or he'd recruit over him. It happens all of the time and many times it goes unsaid but let's put it all out there to discuss:
1. III calls out his Frosh at the Team Banquet for their work ethic
2. Chris Wright is the #1 recruit for '07 now that Austin Freeman is committed--and he's a guy who's capable of playing 2/3 in college ala Randy Foye/Dwayne Wade was at Marquette.
If you are on the team, do you really need to figure things out? Work ethic and effort can change things but if you are messing around and not working on improving, Coaches/Teammates don't have time for you to "get it"--not with reduction in scholarships from time Pops told Smitty he would--was 15 back then as limit compared to 12 now.
Playing time is still there to be earned on the court, but these kids have nobody to blame if they are recruited over--especially after the "lecture" they received in public at a Team function about their work habits.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 26, 2006 0:41:45 GMT -5
There is NO way any coach in D-I ball pulls a scholly: it'd be an absolute career suicide. Yes, technically it's possible, but the repercussions for recruiting could be devastating. I've read here that once a player gets a scholarship, it counts as one less available scholarship until that player leaves or graduates. It cannot be taken away to be given to another player. For example, JTIII cannot say to Thornton, "since you didn't play that much last year, you will not get a scholarship for this year. It's going to another player."
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Post by ephoya04 on Jul 26, 2006 8:55:53 GMT -5
I think that changed when they dropped the 5 and 8 rule
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Post by nychoya3 on Jul 26, 2006 9:16:49 GMT -5
Was Cornelio's scholarship pulled? I mean, if you don't even put a kid in for garbage time when you're winning by 50 points - how's he supposed to take that? Scholarships get pulled all the time, though it's mostly behind the scenes where both parties agree that a transfer is the best course. One party has to go public about it, and that's rarer - though not unheard of. Lorenzo Romar pulled a scholarship and it went public and his recruiting has been just fine. I don't neccessarily like it, but if you go to a kid and say, "listen, scrubby mcbenchwarmer - I like you, but you aren't good enough to play over the guys we have and are bringing in, and you never will be," that's pretty much the equivalent of pulling a scholarship. Because for 90% of college athletes - they're gone. Some, like Sead, have different priorities, but they're the exception.
And, yes, scholarships are renewable year to year. And it's all moot until the early signing period anyway - a committ now would have no actual weight behind it.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 26, 2006 9:24:06 GMT -5
There is NO way any coach in D-I ball pulls a scholly: it'd be an absolute career suicide. Yes, technically it's possible, but the repercussions for recruiting could be devastating. EVERY coach will use that against that school. There are really no cases I can think of where a high-major coach has pulled a scholly. It might as well be forbidden by the NCAA, that's how seldom it happens, if at all. So it's really not an option. Usually players unhappy with PT see the writing on the wall and transfer on their own. Even in those cases, it's actually very important for the school losing the player that the player leaves reasonably content. Bad-mouthing is really bad: "Coach told me he wanted me, then recruited over me and sat me on the bench." Once that gets around, it can be like poison. A good example for transfers that had pretty negative consequences for Esherick recruiting-wise were when Hall and Bethel left. Without getting into details and Esh-bashing, their departure left a bad taste in a lot of DC HS players and coaches, and further harmed Esh locally. Anyway, I can't imagine Jeff stays beyond next year, and there's little reason to worry that we won't have room for Chris Wright in a year's time IMO. Didn't Spurrier do just that when he started at USC?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jul 26, 2006 10:00:09 GMT -5
Bruce Pearl did the same thing when he got to Tennessee. Matthew Dotson was a Buzz Petersen recruit and he was basically told to get lost. Tennessee released a statement saying it was a mutual agreement but somehow the word got out that his scholarship had been pulled.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 28, 2006 15:28:35 GMT -5
There is NO way any coach in D-I ball pulls a scholly: it'd be an absolute career suicide. Yes, technically it's possible, but the repercussions for recruiting could be devastating. EVERY coach will use that against that school. There are really no cases I can think of where a high-major coach has pulled a scholly. It might as well be forbidden by the NCAA, that's how seldom it happens, if at all. So it's really not an option. Usually players unhappy with PT see the writing on the wall and transfer on their own. Even in those cases, it's actually very important for the school losing the player that the player leaves reasonably content. Bad-mouthing is really bad: "Coach told me he wanted me, then recruited over me and sat me on the bench." Once that gets around, it can be like poison. A good example for transfers that had pretty negative consequences for Esherick recruiting-wise were when Hall and Bethel left. Without getting into details and Esh-bashing, their departure left a bad taste in a lot of DC HS players and coaches, and further harmed Esh locally. Anyway, I can't imagine Jeff stays beyond next year, and there's little reason to worry that we won't have room for Chris Wright in a year's time IMO. Bob Knight pulled two scholarships last year on committed players and it hasn't hurt him. Course, he's a legend. Lots of coaches tell players to transfer. They basically say, you aren't good enough to play. Which is usually enough to get them to go without actually pulling a scholarship. But I bet the latter has been done a lot more than you think. I'm not saying it is morally or ethically right. But I also don't think it is career suicide. The player screwed is usually not a great player and I doubt many HS kids really think that that will ever be them. OTOH, it will probably hurt them with a single AAU coach...possibly.
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