SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 21, 2004 10:55:56 GMT -5
NYPost.com/sports/23086.htm " Guard Cedric Jackson of New Jersey gave new St. John's coach Norm Roberts a verbal commitment..... Jackson, 6-2, was recruited early by UConn, which backed away when it got a commitment from A.J. Price. .." ----- "... Roberts is pursuing forward Juan Diego Tello Palacios of Long Island, who recently was named to the All-USA Today third team, and swingman Alex Galindo of St. Benedict's Prep (N.J.), whom Roberts was recruiting at Kansas. " I wonder if JT3 will be able to pull in a stud or two?? Let's hope so! And in 3-5 years, we can look back and compare Roberts vs. JT3. Both teams hit rock bottom this past season. How fitting if both return to the top.
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Post by bigblue123 on Apr 21, 2004 13:48:55 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that Robert will do better because he can recruit better players then JT3. Recruiting is all it takes to bring back any team from bottom of the barrow. All this can change if JT3 can bring someone nationally known for being a great recruiter into his staff. I think JT3 is going to have tough first year because he has to deal with team with higher caliber player who he never experience at IVY league.(UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, UL, Marquette, U of Cinn, and many others) besides the NCAA tournament. JT3 is going to be the next great coach or next Esh. It all depends on recruiting. I think he is smart enough to bring great recruiting staff. If not say Esherick all over again.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 21, 2004 20:20:45 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that Robert will do better because he can recruit better players then JT3. Recruiting is all it takes to bring back any team from bottom of the barrow. All this can change if JT3 can bring someone nationally known for being a great recruiter into his staff. I think JT3 is going to have tough first year because he has to deal with team with higher caliber player who he never experience at IVY league.(UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, UL, Marquette, U of Cinn, and many others) besides the NCAA tournament. JT3 is going to be the next great coach or next Esh. It all depends on recruiting. I think he is smart enough to bring great recruiting staff. If not say Esherick all over again. agreed, big blue. there's no evidence that JTIII recruit in the big east. he has a lot to prove in this department. |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 22, 2004 12:23:26 GMT -5
Recruiting is all it takes to bring back any team from bottom of the barrow. Once again, I say, PROVE IT. Examples: The Eddie Griffin Seton Hall Crew: 1 NCAA Tourney, and that was only when they got a decent coach in. The Villanova Crew is working out well, but zero tourneys so far. Arkansas has had two Top 10 classes in a row, but no tourney for Stan Heath. Missouri? Heck, even Lousiville, with ridiculous talent and a good coach in Pitino, shut down this year. Memphis wasn't all that good for what, four straight top ten classes? Yet Gonzaga was built with excellent coaching first. Same with Stanford. Pittsburgh has become a Big East power with mostly unranked recruits but excellent coaching. Look at Nevada, Air Force, UAB in the tourney. Look at Florida barely deserve to be there (I will give you that as one program entirely built on recruiting). Most consistently good programs are built through quality coaching getting more out of less talent and then eventually getting the talent because they win. Sometimes I think people look more at who won the recruiting war than wins and losses. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2004 12:28:11 GMT -5
Maryland won a national championship thanks in large part to a couple of no-name recruits (Dixon and Baxter).
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Post by HoyaLawya on Apr 22, 2004 17:21:48 GMT -5
Thank you SFHoya99 and Cam ....... build it and they will come. But don't expect to say "Come on y'all we're having a barn-raising" and then over-rely on the recruits to do the building without an architect guiding the effort. That's a recipe for all-talent, underachieving teams like Missouri under Quin and the Gators under Billy. Speaking of the build it and they will come theory .... Padgett out of Kansas ... an announcement expected tomorrow.  |
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 22, 2004 19:38:57 GMT -5
This Padgett story is strange. By all indications, Bill Self is very popular with his players. So why would a kid who was starting at Kansas as a freshman leave the program? Homesickness? Where is he from?
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 23, 2004 9:54:49 GMT -5
This Padgett story is strange. By all indications, Bill Self is very popular with his players. So why would a kid who was starting at Kansas as a freshman leave the program? Homesickness? Where is he from? Maybe he wants to go play for Roy at "Bonnie, I don't give a **** about" Carolina. |
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 23, 2004 12:13:10 GMT -5
I think both recruiting and game coaching are extremely important, and I think the fact that JTIII was able to get a guy like Venable to Princeton says a lot about his (and potentially Burke's) recruiting ability. I look for him to step up the quality of players that we bring in, on the combination of his name and his experience.
That said, I agree with those who said good coaching has to come first. Flashy recruiting gets good press in October, but not necessarily in March and April.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 24, 2004 9:42:19 GMT -5
I think both recruiting and game coaching are extremely important, and I think the fact that JTIII was able to get a guy like Venable to Princeton says a lot about his (and potentially Burke's) recruiting ability. I look for him to step up the quality of players that we bring in, on the combination of his name and his experience. That said, I agree with those who said good coaching has to come first. Flashy recruiting gets good press in October, but not necessarily in March and April. Venable was a legacy at Princeton. I am not sure whether his parents went there, but I understand that several of his family members went there. So, he was not as much of a recruited athlete as we might expect. The two best basketball players in the last four-five years to attend Princeton are Chris Young and Spencer Gloger. Young chose between Texas and Princeton and decided to play for Carmody. He left prior to Thompson's coaching stint and decided to go professional in baseball. Had he decided to stay unprofessional and continue as a basketball player, he probably would have been drafted. Gloger is the best pure shooter that I have seen in a while. I saw him break the single game three point record at Princeton, which is no small accomplishment considering the history of the program over the last twenty years. Unfortunately, he could never keep his academics in order and transferred to UCLA after one season and then back to Princeton, where he eventually ran into some serious difficulties, which should go unmentioned. Both of these players, I assume, were recruited by JT3, as he was an assistant with Joe Scott when they decided to come to Princeton. I would have taken both of them over many of the players on our roster last season. |
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