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Post by grubs2 on Apr 21, 2004 3:35:04 GMT -5
I have only posted a few times throughout the years...mostly I have just read....these past few months have been ludicrous.....
This is how I feel...
Coach Thompson's hands have been in this since the beginning. The day Esherick took over he knew his son would come back. He stabbed Esherick in the back..just like ronnie did. Ronnie poisoned those players against Esh...and dont you think otherwise or your fools. Great family huh? One big Game for them.....
This whole thing stinks. Wake up. No other coaches were even discussed. We all have been duped. But....not that it matters as long as we win right? Who cares...it doesnt matter.
They must think we are really stupid. What did Thompson say in the interview..that he wasnt involved? Please!!!! What a joke..He has been involved since day one. This whole program is a joke and an embarrassement.
The administration has no spine.
But hey as long as we win right? Who cares who is coaching.....hey we loved Esh at the start too..well it will be fun to see everyone turn on JTlll too. Cause..it is going to happen......
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 6:54:19 GMT -5
I guess Princeton was duped, too. I really do feel embarrassed that the university hired a proven winning Division 1 head coach from the DC area who played for and assisted a Hall of Famer.
And of course it's about winning. And of course sentiments will turn around if GU doesn't win -- that equation is the same in any sport no matter what the coach's name is. I, for one, will be rooting for JT to continue and build upon the success he had at his alma mater, instead of rooting for him to fail and carrying on some strange grudge against an entire family.
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Post by bigblue123 on Apr 21, 2004 7:03:13 GMT -5
My best wishes goes out to JTIII. I hope he does well. I am only dissappointed in Administration. They said they were dedicate in winning the national championship and going to search for the best coach. The only person they interview was JTIII and nobody else. I have nothing against JTIII but there were better coaches out there in america. Something needs to be done about the current administration because they really don't know what they are doing.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 21, 2004 7:18:20 GMT -5
I guess Princeton was duped, too. I really do feel embarrassed that the university hired a proven winning Division 1 head coach from the DC area who played for and assisted a Hall of Famer. And of course it's about winning. And of course sentiments will turn around if GU doesn't win -- that equation is the same in any sport no matter what the coach's name is. I, for one, will be rooting for JT to continue and build upon the success he had at his alma mater, instead of rooting for him to fail and carrying on some strange grudge against an entire family. Saxa. Are you suggesting that DFW's concerns about the hiring process are misplaced? There are a lot of nagging questions surrounding this hire. Bill Carmody and Joe Scott have similar (and arguably stronger) resumes. Were they considered as seriously as JT3? Who else (if anyone) was interviewed? What other (if any) schools were interested in JT3 for their openings? Was the "national search" a ruse? An example: Degioia states: "yesterday's announcement was the culmination of a national search, which stretched out over five weeks." Several other reports indicate that negotiations with JT3 took "several" or a "number of weeks." |
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Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 21, 2004 8:02:08 GMT -5
I have only posted a few times throughout the years...mostly I have just read....these past few months have been ludicrous..... This is how I feel... Coach Thompson's hands have been in this since the beginning. The day Esherick took over he knew his son would come back. He stabbed Esherick in the back..just like ronnie did. Ronnie poisoned those players against Esh...and dont you think otherwise or your fools. Great family huh? One big Game for them..... This whole thing stinks. Wake up. No other coaches were even discussed. We all have been duped. But....not that it matters as long as we win right? Who cares...it doesnt matter. They must think we are really stupid. What did Thompson say in the interview..that he wasnt involved? Please!!!! What a joke..He has been involved since day one. This whole program is a joke and an embarrassement. The administration has no spine. But hey as long as we win right? Who cares who is coaching.....hey we loved Esh at the start too..well it will be fun to see everyone turn on JTlll too. Cause..it is going to happen...... JTII did not stab Esh in the back. To suggest that is idiotic. |
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 8:06:11 GMT -5
Not at all. I was just positing that while they might be misplaced, they might not be, as well. I would have been happy with either Carmody or Scott. I do see where JT3's ties to the area would be a bigger advantage for him, though, giving him the edge over those guys.
I can see where the concerns are. I'm just saying that because the guy who got the job has connections back here doesn't mean you can't call it a search. I think the administration had to convince the guy to come, and doubt very seriously if this was just some done deal orchestrated by daddy. And the fact that the entire basketball apparatus was let go pending review is a further signal that this hire may indeed may not be the "continuation of the same business as usual" at GU.
And I'm not sure why a search committee composed of guys who know college athletics very well can't have a primary target at the beginning of a search, and try to get that guy from the beginning, even while interviewing other candidates.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 8:06:41 GMT -5
Esh stabbed Esh in the back. Sad, but true.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 21, 2004 11:57:33 GMT -5
Saxa. Are you suggesting that DFW's concerns about the hiring process are misplaced? There are a lot of nagging questions surrounding this hire. Bill Carmody and Joe Scott have similar (and arguably stronger) resumes. Were they considered as seriously as JT3? Who else (if anyone) was interviewed? What other (if any) schools were interested in JT3 for their openings? Was the "national search" a ruse? An example: Degioia states: "yesterday's announcement was the culmination of a national search, which stretched out over five weeks." Several other reports indicate that negotiations with JT3 took "several" or a "number of weeks." Problem is, that people like Dunphy, Carmody or Scott have such similar resumes to JTIII, there was no way they were getting offered before him, even in a national search. Scott only had a chance if JTIII declined. The question is, did someone like Felton or Matta or Dawkins have a shot? |
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 12:04:31 GMT -5
I bet Felton is way out of our $$$ league at this point, but I really do think that guy's good, and would have been very happy if he ended up being the guy.
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Post by DonkDonk on Apr 21, 2004 12:12:32 GMT -5
Grubs2,
We all have been duped? I don't understand where Thompson gets all this supposed power from to force the President and Board's hands in the decision. Personally, I don't think that anyone at the top levels would risk a sinister plan such as this one. Why didn't Ronnie stick around? Because Esh had just been signed to an extension. Where was JT's supposed power then in blocking this extension and eventually getting Ronnie the job? Dude, if Thompson had such a fetish for keeping the job in his family's name, he wouldn't have quit in the first place. He would have bided his time until his sons were ready to take over. So what if JT did recommend his son for the position? Would you? Did he force it....impossible. You have been duped into the childish Hoya Paranoia thinking of insidious plans being hatched in the nether regions of McDonogh as Evil Emperor JT mythically manipulates the entire GU administration from his radio talk show booth. Seriously, as Big Dog pointed out - our options were extremely limited in the coaches' pool and we took the best available.
Where did you go to school?
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Post by 1803 on Apr 27, 2004 21:00:54 GMT -5
Grubs,
You simply do not know what you are talking about. This search took 34 days, and there were other candidates. If you think that Thompson, "whacked Esh" I suggest you go back to watching Sopranos because this has no basis in the actual situation.
DeGoia gave Esh the vote of confidence because he thought he deserved it. A week or so later after the blowback started it became clear to him that the alumni and students, i.e. the ones who pay the coach's salary wanted a change, and keeping Esh was an absolutely untenable position. Thompson's feelings were irrelevant. The alumni felt that Craig was running the program into the ground, and they delivered that message loud and clear to Lang and DeGoia. Do you think Thompson was the one who signed over 4,000 names to SavetheHoyas.com. Craig was not a successful head coach, and he gave no signs that he would ever be one. The team was losing in embarrassing fashion, and players logging major minutes were transferring. Craig was let go because he was not getting the job done, plain and simple.
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Post by tboy on Apr 27, 2004 21:47:18 GMT -5
grubs2- your negativity abounds therefore since you do not post very often hope to hear from you in, lets say, ten years or more.
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Post by MdHoya on Apr 28, 2004 5:42:53 GMT -5
The bottomline is WIN BABY, WIN. Esh had a golden opportunity to win. He was presented the job and had the Georgetown reputation to recruit on while it was still good. He blew it. Lets see if JT III can win. It he don't come through, then we can attack him. For now, lets give him a chance like we gave Esh. THANK YOU....
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