SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2006 7:58:29 GMT -5
Wallace is on scholarship. This is not an assertion, it is a fact. I don't think Chris is able to share with us HOW he knows, but Wallace is on scholarship. Multiple sources have indicated this.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Apr 19, 2006 8:05:01 GMT -5
Forgive such a basic question, but with Wallace on scholarship and no transfers announced to date, how can we possibly sign McLain or Wright without going over the schollie limit?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2006 8:18:44 GMT -5
Forgive such a basic question, but with Wallace on scholarship and no transfers announced to date, how can we possibly sign McLain or Wright without going over the schollie limit? McLain and Wright are both in the class that will enter in Sept. 2007. There are two "off seasons" between now and then. Historically, Georgetown -- like most schools -- has had at least one student athlete depart early each year for a wide variety of reasons: NBA, Homesick, bad grades, not enough PT, French Foreign Legion, and so on. Since there are TWO off seasons between now and when Wright and McLain will arrive, and we only need ONE more slot, it is a near certainty that a space will open up.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Apr 19, 2006 8:35:40 GMT -5
Just wanted to add: Wallace MUST be on scholly. Reason I believe this: the crazily ambiguous Post article on McClain a few weeks ago. It didn't make sense at all. He knows which school he wants to attend, but doesn't want to commit. I believe it's because we have 13 schollies for '07 (with Wallace and Freeman), and thus any official announcement would cause quite a bit of unrest.
Now again, this only makes sense if you've been reading McClain's comments over the last months, AND you are willing to say that it really makes little sense for him not to commit officially. Convoluted, but I think Wallace is on scholly based on that.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2006 8:43:06 GMT -5
Just wanted to add: Wallace MUST be on scholly. Reason I believe this: the crazily ambiguous Post article on McClain a few weeks ago. It didn't make sense at all. He knows which school he wants to attend, but doesn't want to commit. I believe it's because we have 13 schollies for '07 (with Wallace and Freeman), and thus any official announcement would cause quite a bit of unrest. Now again, this only makes sense if you've been reading McClain's comments over the last months, AND you are willing to say that it really makes little sense for him not to commit officially. Convoluted, but I think Wallace is on scholly based on that. Nitro... that would make a lot of sense...if we weren't talking about College basketball where so many things don't make sense. Many schools -- Louisville just recently comes to mind -- have announce verbals well before openings have taken place. I believe UCONN did the same. That isn't the reason McLain hasn't announced his verbal. His coach asked him not to in order to keep recruiters coming to see other prospects on his team.
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Post by Locker on Apr 19, 2006 9:06:32 GMT -5
I thought I had read that Wes Miller at UNC went from walk-on for a year, to a scholarship player for the last two years, and back to a non-scholarship player for next year. Basically Roy Williams told him he'd have a scholly if one were available.
If NCAA rules actually permit such an arrangement, then there would be no reason in the world NOT to have given Wallace a scholly for 05/06. Likewise for 06/07, unless we add someone to the incoming recruiting class.
I guess what I am saying -- without any inside information available, and without commenting on the fairness of such an arrangement -- is that the fact that Wallace is currently on scholarship does not answer the question about whether he will be on scholarship for 07/08.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2006 9:45:04 GMT -5
Once a player is on scholarship, he counts as a schollie player for the remainder of his time at the school. Or at least, the remainder of his time with eligbility to play.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 10:19:30 GMT -5
Wallace may or may not be on scholarship...
... but if he is, are we certain he is on ATHLETIC scholarship?
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 19, 2006 10:23:06 GMT -5
Wallace may or may not be on scholarship... ... but if he is, are we certain he is on ATHLETIC scholarship? Our boy is wicked smart. He got into Princeton.
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Apr 19, 2006 10:36:42 GMT -5
Wallace may or may not be on scholarship... ... but if he is, are we certain he is on ATHLETIC scholarship? That would be a huge loophole if that was allowed. I have a feeling that you would see 13 players on academic scholarships at UCONN and Kansas St. if that was true.
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Post by HoyaChris on Apr 19, 2006 10:39:38 GMT -5
Okay Chris, and the source of that info would be... I'm not trying to doubt you, but for that statement to mean anything, you have to say more than "it's a fact." Sorry, I can't reveal the source, but the source is extremely close to the program. That said, suggesting that JW is on an academic scholarship (which Georgetown generally doesn't give) would be in direct contravention of NCAA rules. It would be a loophole that less scrupulous programs could use to drive a truck through NCAA regulations. For us to add somebody to the entering class of 2007 we will have to have somebody transfer, and we will not announce any new commitments until that has happened.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 19, 2006 10:46:27 GMT -5
Wallace may or may not be on scholarship... ... but if he is, are we certain he is on ATHLETIC scholarship? Well, Georgetown doesn't have full academic scholarships. Also, I believe that once you have recruited a player, even if you give him another type of aid it still counts as one of 13 available scholarships.
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Post by steelhoya on Apr 19, 2006 11:02:01 GMT -5
Just wanted to add: Wallace MUST be on scholly. Reason I believe this: the crazily ambiguous Post article on McClain a few weeks ago. It didn't make sense at all. He knows which school he wants to attend, but doesn't want to commit. I believe it's because we have 13 schollies for '07 (with Wallace and Freeman), and thus any official announcement would cause quite a bit of unrest. Now again, this only makes sense if you've been reading McClain's comments over the last months, AND you are willing to say that it really makes little sense for him not to commit officially. Convoluted, but I think Wallace is on scholly based on that. A new Scout article came out today with similar comments from McClain: "Most likely I’m going to wait until the end of my senior basketball. It might be next spring." This indicates McClain wants to come here, but realizes that he might have to wait for someone to leave for the NBA or transfer.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Apr 19, 2006 11:05:18 GMT -5
For us to add somebody to the entering class of 2007 we will have to have somebody transfer, and we will not announce any new commitments until that has happened. Okay, I get what you're saying. Please keep us posted.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Apr 19, 2006 11:33:46 GMT -5
I disagree Saxa. McClain has stated for a long time that he knows which school he wants to come to. Calhoun and L'ville were sure of guys leaving early (everyone knew Garcia was leaving e.g.), so different situation. Obviously it's just a theory. Confirmation will be when McClain does announce. If he announces for us after someone has stated they're leaving, then...
Just my inkling - but I'm pretty certain Wallace has a scholly at this point.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 19, 2006 11:52:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the response, Chris.
Personally, I HATE the "someone will transfer or otherwise leave" logic. I would hope that everyone associated with the program is working to prevent transfers and early departures from happening.
Roy and Jeff have said that they plan to stay for four years. Of course, many players say that and then change their minds, but I'm sure that the coaches, etc, have had been open and honest discussions w/ those guys and have a firm belief about what will happen after next year. I don't think that Roy and Jeff and the type to say one thing to the media and another thing to the coaches, so I have to believe that we are planning on those guys being around for two more years and occupying scholarships.
No one else (including Macklin) is even close to the type of prospect that might jump for the NBA after next year, so that should not be a major issue.
Then it comes to transfers. I am of the mindset that every transfer is a very bad thing for the basketball program. First of all, a player should never be pushed to transfer, even if they have NO chance of seeing any PT. If GU offered them a scholarship and they accepted, the school should want that player to stay for four years and graduate. I know that many guys leave on their own initiative for personal and PT issues, but I would hope that the internal GU basketball family is working very hard to make everyone happy, and I hope with all my heart that when those situations arise, they are successful in convincing the players in question to stick it out.
I guess this is just an issue that I have strong personal feelings about. I would not see it as a positive if a benchwarmer transferred, opening up a slot for an All-American, because I see transfers as a very negative thing for the program, and I believe that success is measured by a lot more than wins and losses. All players should have a productive four years, even if that only means busting their tail as practice players. I feel that transfers lead to an internal "me-first" mentality that the Hoyas need to avoid like the plague.
I'm certainly not insinuating that anyone associated with the program is doing anything wrong. What I am saying is that we should be careful about adopting the "someone will leave" mentality, because that is something that everyone associated with the program should be working to prevent.
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Post by georgetowngrad05 on Apr 19, 2006 12:12:13 GMT -5
Has anyone considered the fact that GU may have pulled someone's schollie? NCAA rules allow that.
Schools are allowed to pull them based on performance/injury so someone who is currently riding the pine with a schollie who they think will never play could have had their's pulled and gone on work study or something like that.
I have mixed feelings about GU doing something like that to a kid, but it happens all the time at major football programs.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2006 12:15:12 GMT -5
Hoyalove,
Just because someone states there will be transfers, doesn't mean:
a) they don't dislike transfers b) the staff forced someone out c) the staff didn't do their best to avoid transfers.
History, and not just our program, means there will be transfers, and likely somewhere around one a year.
It's a direct result of recruiting good players who want to play. You have good, honest, competition, and often the person who doesn't get PT will want to get it elsewhere. There's nothing morally or ethically wrong with that. Every team needs bench players and practice players, and those recruited are welcome to stay four years, like Sead or likely Tyler. But that doesn't mean they WANT to do so. And it doesn't mean the staff should reallocate PT to convince them to do so solely to say that everyone stayed.
Add in the folks who are homesick or transfer for other reasons that a typical student would use as a reason to transfer, and that's quite a few.
I don't see it as an inherent positive to the program if any player transfers. Even if there is no pushing out the door, the lack of experience / cohesion it creates is a negative.
That said, I see it as perfectly reasonable that that player wants to play, be near home, can't handle GU academics when they thought they could, etc. It is often a positive -- for the PLAYER. You act as if it is a coaching decision when most times it isn't.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 19, 2006 12:24:46 GMT -5
Has anyone considered the fact that GU may have pulled someone's schollie? NCAA rules allow that. Schools don't "pull" scholarships; scholarships are renewable on a year to year basis. I would rather see a scholarship be a full four year offer, but the issue of counters makes this problematic. For example, if Matt Causey and Cornelio Guibunda had opted to stay at GU, Thompson could have no more than 11 on scholarship even if they had all 13 available. Unless there is an issue of academic non-performance or off-field issues, overrecruiting absolutely ought to be avoided by schools like Georgetown as a matter of principle and enforced accordingly.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Apr 19, 2006 12:45:11 GMT -5
Agree with all of you about over-recruiting. Just want to clarify, I'm not for that - just trying to answer the Wallace/scholly question using some logic. Even if silly logic
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