YB
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Post by YB on Apr 20, 2004 15:45:04 GMT -5
Hey all.... as far as the Welcome Rally goes, found out that JT3 won't be here the rest of the week (out recruiting apparently) so the Rally is pushed back to next week. We may try to make it Georgetown Day, but that is far from being a firm date because....
....All of the Men's Basketball office staff have been released as of today, every one of them, from secretaries to Assistant Coaches. Apparently they cleaned house and JT3 has not hired anyone else yet. Not to say they might not be rehired on their merits, but there is no one currently in there, thus no schedulers to enable him to schedule the Rally.
Next we figure it out I'll let you all know.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 20, 2004 15:50:17 GMT -5
In a lot of jobs, a new boss means cleaning house, and then perhaps interviewing some of the former position-holders to see if they can work with the new guy.
I really hope JJ is retained, but I also believe in giving a new coach carte blanche as to hiring the staff he feels he can work with best to achieve his goals. I hope he's also given the ability to whip up his own PR staff who will enthusiastically work toward getting the entire community involved behind a Hoya rebirth.
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hoyadrummer
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Post by hoyadrummer on Apr 20, 2004 16:21:16 GMT -5
WOW.
I Love that he cleaned house, there were a lot of people there who needed to go. I'm not sure if some of the people who needed to go are technically under the Athletic Dept or Men's BB, so I'll reserve a lot of specific comments.
I will say, however, that I hope Strengh and Conditioning Coach Ed Spriggs returns, a wonderful player, an excellent role coach and a superb human being. Really, I know a lot of people like JJ, but if there is one coach that has to come back to this staff it is Ed Spriggs.
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Gold Hoya
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 20, 2004 16:44:00 GMT -5
....All of the Men's Basketball office staff have been released as of today, every one of them, from secretaries to Assistant Coaches. Apparently they cleaned house and JT3 has not hired anyone else yet. Does this include Sports Info? |
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 20, 2004 16:56:23 GMT -5
....All of the Men's Basketball office staff have been released as of today, every one of them, from secretaries to Assistant Coaches. Apparently they cleaned house and JT3 has not hired anyone else yet. Good for JT3 if this was one of his demands. The program needs a completely fresh start. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 20, 2004 18:48:37 GMT -5
WOW. I Love that he cleaned house, there were a lot of people there who needed to go. I'm not sure if some of the people who needed to go are technically under the Athletic Dept or Men's BB, so I'll reserve a lot of specific comments. I will say, however, that I hope Strengh and Conditioning Coach Ed Spriggs returns, a wonderful player, an excellent role coach and a superb human being. Really, I know a lot of people like JJ, but if there is one coach that has to come back to this staff it is Ed Spriggs. There are plenty of "nice" people around GU basketball and other programs, frankly. Unfortunately, there comes a point where one needs to find the best people for the jobs that are involved and has to be able to part ways with "nice" people if they do not fit in. I am not saying that this is the case with Spriggs, but "nice-ness" or whatever should not be a litmus test. It should be ability and what Person X brings to the program, of which character is only a part. |
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Post by tboy on Apr 20, 2004 19:01:58 GMT -5
all sports info and media pr types in athletics and at the university level need to be let go. we need a fresh start here also. i have a meeting with the ad and others this weekend and i will express my feelings. i also think that a long look needs to be taken at the overall marketing of basketball and all athletics. some changes need to be made their also.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 20, 2004 19:05:41 GMT -5
all sports info and media pr types in athletics and at the university level need to be let go. we need a fresh start here also. i have a meeting with the ad and others this weekend and i will express my feelings. i also think that a long look needs to be taken at the overall marketing of basketball and all athletics. some changes need to be made their also. Tboy, Thanks for all that you are doing, which I do not know entirely. What I have gathered is that you are pretty close to the situation, and I thank you for taking this stand, and I hope others are receptive to your intelligent position on this matter. |
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Apr 20, 2004 19:48:37 GMT -5
Does anyone have any scoop on sports information and/or PR for the athletic department? As someone that's been in PR most of my career, I would absolutely love the opportunity to quit my current job and move back to D.C. to get things moving in the right direction.
All kidding aside, if anyone has any info on this and can forward it to me, I'll buy you quite a few beers once I get to D.C.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 20, 2004 20:14:21 GMT -5
tboy, I would also like to thank you for your efforts. You made some outstanding points in your post and I agree with you completely. I have been thinking the same things exactly, we need better communications with the fans, alumni and media and we also need to look into marketing Georgetown Basketball in a way that will help us in our return to glory. Good luck getting these crucial points across to the ad and other officials. WE ARE GEORGETOWN!
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Post by dairishhoya on Apr 20, 2004 20:38:49 GMT -5
TBoy thanks for your comments, but you're a little off base. If you were at the press conference you would've noticed that this was ran by the university's main communications shop ... not sports information. This signals two things to me:
1. DeGioia's commitment to the program -- he wanted this ran by the main university's communications office to show the institution's commitment (in fact, I noticed that they had a story on the university's homepage by the time I got home -- 15 mins after the press conference -- and that they also did the webcast).
2. The writing is on the wall for the SID and everyone else in sports information ... if people aren't let go I would be surprised -- unless this is a line in the sand to shape up.
Frankly, with the firings in the basketball office that also occurred it looks as though everybody in athletics is being evaluated. McBricks I'd keep an eye open for an SID job posting on the Georgetown website.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 21, 2004 9:09:47 GMT -5
I am somewhat distrubed about people trying to get people fired. I think the main problem with our program is we haven't had sucess in a long time - on the basketball court. Petitioning to get people fired does not help matters. SID did not contribute to the losses on the basketball court. I think instead of putting so much energy in trying get people "axed", i really do think people should put things in the right perspective: supporting Georgetown Basketball. Its funny how when people have all this energy to complain and growl about everything that is wrong, they fail to have that same engery to do anything right. They can show up to complain about everyting, but when it comes to games at the MCI center, they no support for the team. They are a no-show. There is always an excuse to not help and a justified reason to complain. This is a University, an institution of learning. Lets have some integrity here. Just because we are not given the inside track to things, does not give us the right assume our own "truths" of what is going on with program. Second, we do not have the right to suggest people to be let go from positions if we are basing everything on the "assumption of truths", not facts.
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Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2004 9:29:23 GMT -5
I am somewhat distrubed about people trying to get people fired. Gee, I don't know. I'd say the GU administration and the members of this message board have been doing a pretty good job trying to get ME fired with all of this hubbub over the past couple of days. Turnabout is fair play in my book. |
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 21, 2004 9:58:49 GMT -5
way, again, I disagree. JT3 fired everyone regardless of who else here wanted that- remember, I wanted JJ kept, for instance, and hope he'll be brought back. But there was a lot a dead weight there that needed to be cut loose. And a lot of people- everyone in the media for instance- dislikes the job the SID does, thinks it's amateurish and needs to be replaced.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 21, 2004 10:16:39 GMT -5
I think the biggest point is that the new coach wants to be able to have the people he feels most comfortable with working around him. I'm sure some who got laid off will be invited to reapply, and he can then assess the candidates that way, but it does give him the flexibility to staff the group the way he wants, and it's probably the appropriate, if admittedly painful for some, way to start his tenure.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 21, 2004 10:20:02 GMT -5
Well, I really don't care about "everyone in the media". "Everyone in the media" doesn't care about Georgetown, and doesn't like Georgetown because John Thompson spoke his own mind, did it his way, and never cared for people who disagreed with his way. All John Thompson did was make Georgetown basketball what it is today and gave it its only National Championship and prestige. "Everyone in the media" has nothing to do with our program and how WE run business. All we should care about is W's and graduation rates. Thats why people come here.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 21, 2004 10:33:58 GMT -5
OK, but there's a problem with that argument.
JT2 isn't coach anymore.
JT3 is doing it and doing it his own way.
And he has almost as little to work with as JT2 did when he started. We have no prestige on the court anymore. People see us as irrelevant. Wins will change that- but you can't run things like you did in the 80s anymore. Doesn't work.
JT3 did a good job balancing the media- a middle ground between JT2 and Calipari, for instance- at PU. I think he'll change things to his liking here, as he already seems to be doing.
Everyone seems to assume he'll do things the same as his Dad- I don't think he will. He'll schedule harder, for instance. Recruit differently. Design plays differently. He is his own man and grew up outside the system. He'll be fine.
But as far as how GU AD handles the media- that MUST change. The media affect public perception of us. You can't just completely treat them like garbage- you have to build SOME form of relationship there. That's why the SID is in hot water.
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Gold Hoya
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 21, 2004 10:35:49 GMT -5
If Georgetown is intentionally rude to the media (as you suggest is the optimal strategy), TV and newspaper coverage will cease unless we are winning national championships.
Since nobody is expecting that next year, might it not be a better idea to be friendly to the student press (who upon graduation tend to be some of the biggest Hoya fans in existence, myself and DFW Hoya included as only two examples)? Additionally, wouldn't it make sense to adopt an accommodating attitude toward PROFESSIONAL media members, such as Camille Powell from the Post, Ken Wright from the Washington Times, and Joe White from the Associated Press? If GU is cordial and helpful toward these folks, perhaps even allowing players to be interviewed, the press toward GU will become more positive, and you will not have the feeling that the media is against Georgetown.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 21, 2004 13:17:31 GMT -5
Another Question:
If we want to rename the student section at MCI, what's the best name to try for?
We want to look into getting t-shirts printed up that say "WE ARE GEORGETOWN" on the back and on the front....
"Hoya Destroyas"
"III Pointers"
"Proud to be Hoyas"
"Capitol City Choir"
"Hoyas Unleashed"
"WE Rock"
"The Yell That Wins the Day"
Other thoughts?
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Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 21, 2004 13:19:10 GMT -5
How about:
I wiped my ass with my Syracuse acceptance letter!
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