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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 12, 2006 20:36:49 GMT -5
great comments josh.. jt3 is amazing right out there and funny... wehn i asked him if he thought we were one shot djs away from the national championship he said one shot or one rebound of that shot which i hadnt thought of.. also im not sure what mcdonalds game some of you were watching but i think jy3 is downplayhing the macklin thing.. he did get seven i believe seven rebounds i believe in his first six minutes or so and i saw him run the floor well and he had i believe ten rebounds in sixteen minutes of play the nose for the ball comment i think was righton and i thnk he ll play for rebounds and running the court go hoyas go jt3 and go vernon not a savior but wasnot bad.. -ps i think he led all rebounders and played sixteenn minutes go hoyas is it october yet///// ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) I told lic that I would tell the board that he is not as crazy as he writes. Actually, he is an awfully nice guy, who just wants to know if it is October yet. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 12, 2006 21:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 12, 2006 22:26:45 GMT -5
Wallace shot about as well as cook from three land. He just didn't take as many shots. But considering he did run the team as a point its hard to argue that Ashanti was more important this past season. Don't take it the wrong way. I loved Ashanti's game. And for the most part he was pretty good down the stretch. But lets remember eh averaged 10 points per contest. And he wasn't immune to going stretches of games without scoring in double figures. The Hoyas aren't exactly replacing Charles Smith, Mark Tillmon or Victor Page You raise some valid points MCI, but in my opinion, Cook was indeed a more important part of the offense and team than Wallace. Starting at the defensive end, Ashanti would get the tougher assignments and was a quicker and better defender. As for the offense, the two shared the PG responsibilities... which is how it will always be with JT3. And while Wallace did indeed make some threes, Cook was the one creating more shots on his own and taking them in tougher situations. Cook had a much better chance of creating his own shot, while Wallace was highly dependent on screens or being left alone. I think Cook is going to be a lot tougher to replace than many of us are thinking. Now I don't want anyone to interpret this as any kind of negative about Wallace. It's not. He is an important player for us too. Finally, I have very high hopes for Sapp. He gained a tremendous amount of confidence during the year. He drives and rebounds better than Cook or Wallace. He defends well. He looks stronger to me. And I think he is very aggresive. Without researching box scores, I also had the impression that he shot his threes a lot more effectively toward the end of the season. I like his attitude and I am guessing he is going to work hard this summer and be a lot better next season. All that said, i still thing of the three departing seniors, we will miss Ashanti the most.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 12, 2006 23:01:42 GMT -5
But considering he did run the team as a point its hard to argue that Ashanti was more important this past season. Ashanti took every big shot. When the shot clock was winding down, who created? Most of the time it was Ashanti. Jon's a nice set shooter when he's wide open, but he can't create his own three. Ashanti took the harder defensive assignments, generally, and did better with them. Jon seems to be getting a lot of extra credit for bringing the ball up the floor. I like the guy, but Ashanti brought a much wider range of skills -- and those are skills no one else on the team has exhibited.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 12, 2006 23:54:56 GMT -5
Finally, I have very high hopes for Sapp. He gained a tremendous amount of confidence during the year. He drives and rebounds better than Cook or Wallace. He defends well. He looks stronger to me. And I think he is very aggresive. Without researching box scores, I also had the impression that he shot his threes a lot more effectively toward the end of tShe season. I like his attitude and I am guessing he is going to work hard this summer and be a lot better next season. All that said, i still thing of the three departing seniors, we will miss Ashanti the most. Sapp shot about 29% from behind the arc from Feb. on. That being said, he never took more than 4 treys in a game, so the sample size is quite small (if one more had gone in, he'd be in the mid 30s, and if two more had, he'd be in the 40s)
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 13, 2006 0:47:10 GMT -5
Ashanti is by far the biggest loss of the three seniors. We have a direct replacement for Bowman, so he isn't a big worry. I am confident that Summers/Spann/Egerson can approach Owens overall contribution (which means playing any D at all), but losing his 3s will hurt.
We have no one who can make up for what Ashanti gave us. Who on next years team can create their own shot off the dribble? Who can make a deep three with a man in their face? No, Ashanti wasn't a star - but the fact that we will miss him so much shows the major problems we have in the backcourt, which probably won't be solved until Freeman gets here.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2006 8:20:51 GMT -5
Ashanti was an extremely underrated talent for GU. He had some skills and will be missed. Right now, I don't see anybody filling his shoes next year.
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Post by Filo on Apr 13, 2006 9:39:24 GMT -5
Now that we all have had some time to reflect on the season, we are realizing how important Ashanti was to the team. He had an up and down senior year, but he really came through in the tournament. I am hopeful that by the time post-season comes around next year, someone (or some combination of players) will have stepped up to help fill the void left by his departure.
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Post by njcoach on Apr 13, 2006 11:17:25 GMT -5
Ashanti was an extremely underrated talent for GU. He had some skills and will be missed. Right now, I don't see anybody filling his shoes next year. I have to agree at this early juncture. AC was a good defender, perimeter player, and handler. Most importantly, he came up big in the tournament. If Sapp winds up getting major minutes, I think he will bring intensity, toughness, and defense. I'm hoping his outside touch develops over the summer. As someone noted, there is not much of a sampling to go on. Wallace has become a reliable shooter who is willing to step up. As for the others, including Rivers, who knows?
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Apr 14, 2006 11:27:06 GMT -5
Ashanti was an extremely underrated talent for GU. He had some skills and will be missed. Right now, I don't see anybody filling his shoes next year. Good point. We've got some guys that can fill his shoes in terms of rebounding, assists, defense, and "hustle plays" but I don't see who we have on the team that is a threat to really get hot from behind the arc. Is Jeff our best threat from 3 next year? Sapp and Wallace are decent, but inconsistent from downtown.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Apr 14, 2006 23:07:41 GMT -5
Ashanti was an extremely underrated talent for GU. He had some skills and will be missed. Right now, I don't see anybody filling his shoes next year. Good point. We've got some guys that can fill his shoes in terms of rebounding, assists, defense, and "hustle plays" but I don't see who we have on the team that is a threat to really get hot from behind the arc. Is Jeff our best threat from 3 next year? Sapp and Wallace are decent, but inconsistent from downtown. Wallace shot about as well as Ashanti last year beyond the arc and is definitely better than Jeff. The concern is that noone can create their own shots like him or make some of the late shot clock bombs from way out and with a hand in the face. Hopefully JWall graduates from a set shooter, Sapp greatly improves his shot, and The Dagger gets some run to help make up for the loss in Ashanti and DJ.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 15, 2006 6:07:34 GMT -5
But considering he did run the team as a point its hard to argue that Ashanti was more important this past season. Ashanti took every big shot. When the shot clock was winding down, who created? Most of the time it was Ashanti. Jon's a nice set shooter when he's wide open, but he can't create his own three. Ashanti took the harder defensive assignments, generally, and did better with them. Jon seems to be getting a lot of extra credit for bringing the ball up the floor. I like the guy, but Ashanti brought a much wider range of skills -- and those are skills no one else on the team has exhibited. Selective amnesia regarding the last minute of the Syracuse Big East semifinal game in which Ashanti Cook (blown defensive assignment, two turnovers) in last minute of the game made Sam Jefferson's performance on March 4, 1990 look like one of the clutch performances in Hoya history. Cook had a knack early in his career for hitting ridiculously difficult 3s with the game out of reach, but he was a notoriously terrible decision maker. A nice role player who certainly added a dimension that needs to be replaced but by no means irreplaceable. The loss of Bowman and Cook is something the Hoyas will be able to recover from. Wallace helped Cook's game tremendously by getting the ball out of his hands and letting him be a more instinctive scorer than a decision maker. Wallace > Cook in terms of importance to the team and basketball IQ IMHO.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2006 11:22:53 GMT -5
I didn't say the guy was perfect, and I'm pretty sure that his early career is irrelevant to this discussion.
I like Jon, but the guy has never been asked to take the final shot, for better or worse, and I can't honestly remember him successfully creating with the shot clock low in the count. III and the team never put him into those situations -- they looked to Cook, not Wallace. I've seen nothing in Wallace's game that makes me think he can be successful in that role, either. I think a lot of players could be successful in Wallace's, though maybe not to the degree Jon is.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 16, 2006 15:21:21 GMT -5
Agree SF. "Selective amnesia" is the same as "selective memory." With Ashanti, he had the ball in the clutch a lot and yeah there was some bad ('Cuse turnovers, not passing to Jeff versus UConn) but there was a lot of good (dish to Roy versus ND, pass to Owens versus 'Nova, countless clutch FTs, great NCAA tourney). So he made some good and bad decisions, but that came from him actually making decisions. Often he was the only one with the Raftery-esque onions to do anything.
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