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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 11, 2006 0:01:53 GMT -5
There have been those of us, since Macklin committed, that have tried to tell the masses that Macklin would not come in and take away huge minutes from Hibbert and Ewing. Macklin has all the potential in the world. The posters who claim that he has bad hands or can't run the floor...well, lets just say I disagree. He has the hands, the length, the explosiveness, the stamina, the speed, etc to be a GREAT big man down the line if he works on his game and is instructed well by his coaches. Just look at Noah. But regardless of his abilities he is raw, folks. He doesn't come in with a half-court game like Sweetney or an impact presence like Zo. He needs work. It was interesting when Hibbert had bad games or games in which fans got mad about his shots being blocked. You would see all these posts about Macklin not getting here soon enough. It was as if Hoya fans thought Macklin was Greg Oden or Shaquille O'Neal and would replace Hibbert immediately. Vernon isn't ready for that yet. He knows it too. On HoyaReport in an interview a couple of weeks back he informed us that the Gtown coaches told him his main priority his forsh season would to supply help on the boards. By the way don't worry about Vernon's showing in these contests. He has proven himself time and time again this past year in the summer camps, AAU games and high school tournaments. He just needs some polishing. Amen. Mack will spell Roy (Green will move to the 5). Spann and Summers will get a lot of time. I think it's a toss-up for minutes with those three. I can't believe how Spann gets slept on because he had two seniors in front of him. It's the nature of the game.
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Post by sweetness on Apr 11, 2006 0:11:00 GMT -5
Do you have any special insight into Spann's game? ie have you heard practice reports or basing it on seeing him in the kennar? just asking because the skepticism comes from the fact that no one has seen him, regardless of whether his lack of minutes was justified or not.
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Post by Eurostar on Apr 11, 2006 0:31:28 GMT -5
Hibbert (5), Green (4/5), Ewing (3/4), Wallace (1/2), Sapp (1/2)
...with Macklin(5) getting about 10min per game and Rivers(1/2) and Summers(3/4) getting 10-15min per game. Egerson(2/3) wont play much, and I dont know why people are even talking about Spann. We already have 8 guys getting significant time. Not many teams go deeper than that. This team is gonna be exciting... TALENTED 8 deep.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 11, 2006 1:48:01 GMT -5
Do you have any special insight into Spann's game? ie have you heard practice reports or basing it on seeing him in the kennar? just asking because the skepticism comes from the fact that no one has seen him, regardless of whether his lack of minutes was justified or not. There has been talk that Spann was doing very well in practice at the end of the season. 'Course, then you wonder why he didn't play. But perhaps III was uncomfortable with the timing. Or thought that Bowman and Owens were still better options.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 11, 2006 9:37:13 GMT -5
Hibbert (5), Green (4/5), Ewing (3/4), Wallace (1/2), Sapp (1/2) ...with Macklin(5) getting about 10min per game and Rivers(1/2) and Summers(3/4) getting 10-15min per game. Egerson(2/3) wont play much, and I dont know why people are even talking about Spann. We already have 8 guys getting significant time. Not many teams go deeper than that. This team is gonna be exciting... TALENTED 8 deep. Beware of The Dagger...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 11, 2006 15:31:48 GMT -5
JTIII was very approachable during the event. My wife saved me seats for the Clinton talk, and low and below, who should arrive in the same row as our new AD, followed closely behind by JTIII and Mr. Rienzo. The first thing I told the coach, when I met him there, was how much all are concerned about his wife. I congratulated him on the great year. But I didn't ask the indepth questions that Josh did. At the bball alumni reception he spoke about the freshmen next year being freshmen, to indicate that they probably will not get much play right off the bat. Of course, he was talking all night about taking baby steps - since he is a Thompson, his baby steps are pretty large.
Incidentally, Bernard Muir is even easier to talk to. Very nice guy.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 11, 2006 17:01:39 GMT -5
This talk about Macklin not being ready immediately but needing to be brought along slowly, a la Roy, makes me think that this past year's team might be a much better team than the coming year's team. Replacing Brandon, Ashanti and D.J. with freshmen who will be brought along slowly is not as promising as many on this board have hoped. Maybe it was us who over-hyped next year's team.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 11, 2006 17:27:27 GMT -5
easyed, I couldn't disagree with you more. Think about what you just said. This team will be better for one reason. Wallace, Green and Hibbert will be better. D.J., Brandon and Ashanti were pretty good, but c'mon, neither were amongst the top three players on this team. The guys that are replacing them have more talent. That's plain and simple. Next year, we will be deeper in the frontcourt, deeper in the backcourt and deeper off the bench. We were talking about Macklin being brought along slowly. If he is, so what? We have Green and Hibbert, two first round draft picks that deserve to play 30 minutes anyway. Summers is legit, Ewing is legit and Rivers is legit. Trust me, next year we will have a team with final 4 talent. We may not get that far, but we will have that kind of talent. That's something we didn't have this season.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 11, 2006 17:38:45 GMT -5
easyed, I couldn't disagree with you more. Think about what you just said. This team will be better for one reason. Wallace, Green and Hibbert will be better. D.J., Brandon and Ashanti were pretty good, but c'mon, neither were amongst the top three players on this team. The guys that are replacing them have more talent. That's plain and simple. Next year, we will be deeper in the frontcourt, deeper in the backcourt and deeper off the bench. We were talking about Macklin being brought along slowly. If he is, so what? We have Green and Hibbert, two first round draft picks that deserve to play 30 minutes anyway. Summers is legit, Ewing is legit and Rivers is legit. Trust me, next year we will have a team with final 4 talent. We may not get that far, but we will have that kind of talent. That's something we didn't have this season. I'm pretty sure that the team will be better. That being said, I don't think you can argue that JW was more valuable than Ashanti this year. He was pretty good, but Ashanti was our only consistent outside shooter, and he was pretty clutch w/ his free throws too (and he could dunk, a skill JW has to show off--ok, fine, he dunked once, but it was in the NCAA tournament, and it was freaking awesome, so Ashanti gets bonus points for that skill)
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2006 17:40:30 GMT -5
easyed, I couldn't disagree with you more. Think about what you just said. This team will be better for one reason. Wallace, Green and Hibbert will be better. D.J., Brandon and Ashanti were pretty good, but c'mon, neither were amongst the top three players on this team. The guys that are replacing them have more talent. That's plain and simple. Next year, we will be deeper in the frontcourt, deeper in the backcourt and deeper off the bench. We were talking about Macklin being brought along slowly. If he is, so what? We have Green and Hibbert, two first round draft picks that deserve to play 30 minutes anyway. Summers is legit, Ewing is legit and Rivers is legit. Trust me, next year we will have a team with final 4 talent. We may not get that far, but we will have that kind of talent. That's something we didn't have this season. Ed may be right, though. We lose our most consistent scorers AND clutch scorers on the perimeter in DJ and Ashanti. We also lose their experience. Same with Brandon. I think the jury is still out on PE2. Got to see him in games before I make statements about how great he is or we won't miss Brandon. There are a lot of what if's and question marks with this team: Is Sapp going to step up and take Ashanti's role? Is PE2 all that he is billed and is he a legit small forward? Will Egerson get more playing time after showing a little promise in limited play this season? Will Spann get any burn next year? Will Rivers get a lot of minutes or will he play sparringly like Eggerson did this year? Too many question marks with this team to say we are defintiely Final Four bound. The only sure things are Wallac, Green, and Hibbert. You kind of know what you got with them. The rest we simply don't know. I'm not surprised about the Macklin comments. Its funny how some on the board changed their tune after hearing what JTIII said about him, though. I thought Macklin was the 2nd coming according to hoyatalk. lol!! Its good to hear from a man who actually knows basketball like JTIII.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 11, 2006 17:48:49 GMT -5
Personally, I just like Macklin because his nickname is "the Big Ticket".
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2006 17:52:37 GMT -5
Personally, I just like Macklin because his nickname is "the Big Ticket". You mean "Big Tomato"? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ;D
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 11, 2006 17:53:06 GMT -5
This talk about Macklin not being ready immediately but needing to be brought along slowly, a la Roy, makes me think that this past year's team might be a much better team than the coming year's team. Replacing Brandon, Ashanti and D.J. with freshmen who will be brought along slowly is not as promising as many on this board have hoped. Maybe it was us who over-hyped next year's team. I have thought for a while that next year is somewhat of a down year, and that this year was our opportunity. Now I think it'll be somewhat even. Brandon failed to have the senior year I expected and the transition to Ewing or Summers looks like it may actually be an upgrade, something I never anticipated. But there's no obvious replacement for what Ashanti brought. He was our best perimeter player and the third of the big three. Sapp or Rivers or Thornton or Egerson or whomever is really going to have to step up.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Apr 11, 2006 18:41:39 GMT -5
Ashanti won us a lot of games (Oregon sticks out in my mind). BB won us a few and DJ another few, but not as many combined as Ashanti did. Not having him around is going to hurt next year. Hopefully someone will step it up and fill that void. We're going to need a good archer to complement Roy's inside game.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 11, 2006 18:50:16 GMT -5
Agree about Cook. But in addition, we had six guys who played together in JT3's system for two full years. That cohesion won't be replaced easily.
It is going to take the new guys a while to mesh...even if the two new starters are Pat and Jessie.
But come February and March, these guys should be rolling.
And having three, three year starters coming back... that is a definite plus. All three will be stronger, more experienced, better prepared, more confident and ready to lead the team.
Pat is going to add some leadership too. And Jessie, with a year behind him.... I just have a feeling we are going to see some significant improvement from him.
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Apr 11, 2006 19:34:27 GMT -5
Agree with all the sentiments that we will be better next year, and have a shot at making the Final Four.
We should all take a look at Florida and realize that "experience" or "having senior leadership" is only necessary to the extent that it helps the team play smart and efficiently. But, we have players such as Green and Wallace who already understand how to play the game. The fact that we lose Bowman, DJ, and Ashanti will hurt, but not because we lose their senior leadership....I think it will hurt b/c we'll lose Ashanti's outside shooting and ballhandling, as well as DJ's versatility. At the same time, I believe the talent we have coming in will more than make up for those losses.
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Post by Filo on Apr 11, 2006 21:43:34 GMT -5
I don't find JTIII's comments on Macklin surprising. Did anyone really expect him, or any other freshman, to come right in and start? But I won't be surprised, either, if Macklin starts getting some good minutes as the season progresses. He is not going to be as unbelievable as some had hoped, but he is going to better than what some are now believing based on 2 limited post-season all-star games.
JTIII is doing exactly what a good coach does -- managing expectations and taking pressure off a player for whom expectations are sky high.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 12, 2006 15:11:13 GMT -5
I think JTIII is being very conservative in his statements. He called our progress this year baby steps, and he said the recruits are just freshmen (PE Jr not included), and they will have the obvious freshmen problems. So, I agree with Filo that the coach is scaling down expectations, and if we are good, so much the better.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 12, 2006 17:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 12, 2006 18:47:16 GMT -5
easyed, I couldn't disagree with you more. Think about what you just said. This team will be better for one reason. Wallace, Green and Hibbert will be better. D.J., Brandon and Ashanti were pretty good, but c'mon, neither were amongst the top three players on this team. The guys that are replacing them have more talent. That's plain and simple. Next year, we will be deeper in the frontcourt, deeper in the backcourt and deeper off the bench. We were talking about Macklin being brought along slowly. If he is, so what? We have Green and Hibbert, two first round draft picks that deserve to play 30 minutes anyway. Summers is legit, Ewing is legit and Rivers is legit. Trust me, next year we will have a team with final 4 talent. We may not get that far, but we will have that kind of talent. That's something we didn't have this season. I'm pretty sure that the team will be better. That being said, I don't think you can argue that JW was more valuable than Ashanti this year. He was pretty good, but Ashanti was our only consistent outside shooter, and he was pretty clutch w/ his free throws too (and he could dunk, a skill JW has to show off--ok, fine, he dunked once, but it was in the NCAA tournament, and it was freaking awesome, so Ashanti gets bonus points for that skill) Wallace shot about as well as cook from three land. He just didn't take as many shots. But considering he did run the team as a point its hard to argue that Ashanti was more important this past season. Don't take it the wrong way. I loved Ashanti's game. And for the most part he was pretty good down the stretch. But lets remember eh averaged 10 points per contest. And he wasn't immune to going stretches of games without scoring in double figures. The Hoyas aren't exactly replacing Charles Smith, Mark Tillmon or Victor Page
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