hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 8, 2006 2:03:28 GMT -5
I doubt Ewing was much better than 30% from 3 in Kenner. There was a two game stretch where he was about 1-14. He was still better than expected, I suppose, and that may have warped some memories.
He is not a "good shooter," especially if you consider him a SF. He is acceptable at best - and that might be generous since he has been in college for two years and has shown no ability to hit 3s. Sure, he was misused at Indiana, but "good" shooters show something over two years.
People are getting way ahead of themselves if they expect Ewing to even average 1 three a game and shoot over 30%. His real impact will be on D, rebounding, and finishing around the basket.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2006 10:40:57 GMT -5
This staff has shown a decent amount of ability to improve players' shots -- or at least most of the players seem to have improved as shooters under them. I think Ewing will surprise with the shot -- nothing great, but more than passable.
I'm more skeptical of the claim that every layup Summers misses Ewing will dunk. I saw Ewing miss plenty of short shots at Indiana, and Kenner is not the BE. The guy is not going to dunk every single shot he has.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 8, 2006 10:47:46 GMT -5
This staff has shown a decent amount of ability to improve players' shots -- or at least most of the players seem to have improved as shooters under them. We covered BB in the thread Katz thread. I think a large part of it is up to the player himself. I don't know him, but it seemed to me that he always had an attitude about him that he thought he was better than what he really was. (wanting to transfer, trying the NBA, etc...).
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 8, 2006 11:02:44 GMT -5
This staff has shown a decent amount of ability to improve players' shots -- or at least most of the players seem to have improved as shooters under them. I think Ewing will surprise with the shot -- nothing great, but more than passable. I'm more skeptical of the claim that every layup Summers misses Ewing will dunk. I saw Ewing miss plenty of short shots at Indiana, and Kenner is not the BE. The guy is not going to dunk every single shot he has. I missed this development. Jeff's shooting went down this year. Brandon's three-point shooting fell below 30%. Owens shot close to 44% from three as a sophomore and though he shot well the last two years, never got to that number. I don't think our players are miraculously improving their shots under the staff. But running the offense efficiently creates quality shots for them to take. Ewing doesn't have anything wrong with his shot. If he doesn't force his outside shot he'll be fine. Brandon occasionally would shoot a flat-footed three outside the flow of the offense and that's what Ewing has to avoid.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 8, 2006 11:53:20 GMT -5
Next year's starting lineup and rotation are really mysteries to me. I don't know what to expect. A few things we do know:
1. In his first two years, JT3 kept the rotation really short. Does the deeper bench change that (as we thought it would last year)? Or does it take too long for the new guys to learn the system and work into the rotation? 2. He played Freshmen his first year, but only one and only sometimes his second year... necessity? or preference? 3. Will the bench warmers move up due to familiarity with the system? 4. Or will the studly newcomers jump over them? 5. Does Pat. Jr start? at the three? Does he have the shot for it? 6. Or is he going to be used inside as he was at Indiana to take advantage of his rebounding and post play? 7. More on Pat. Jr. Jeff Green plays the 4/5 for us, yet still has plenty of opportunity to step outside for shots and to drive from the baseline or foul line. Pat. Jr at the 3/4 could have that too. That is, JT3's system demands and allows multiple abilities and looks from his guys. 8. Will we pick up Scottie Reynolds or someone like him? If so, is he immediately in the rotation at guard? 9. Does Sapp start next year, will his 3 Pt. shooting improve? 10. Where does Rivers fit in? Some have posted that he played a form of the Princeton at HS so that should prepare him for GU. Respectfully, I disagree. There aren't many coaches in D1 who coach the princeton as well as JT3, I seriously doubt the rudimentary elements he learned in HS are going to give him a significant advantage coming to GU. But, if he is as athletic, strong and capable as his scouting reports, and if he can shoot better than expected, he could get some major minutes. but I don't see him starting. 11. Who gets more PT and makes the bigger impact his first year -- Summers or Macklin? 12. Does Jeff Green really take the leadership role we need from him now that the Seniors are gone?
Just some things to noodle over as we wait through the summer. Of course, we can voice a lot of opinions, but there won't be any real answers until next season actually starts. That said, I'll still be looking forward to Kenner league reports, even knowing how unreliable that is.
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Post by Filo on Apr 8, 2006 12:30:25 GMT -5
Next year's starting lineup and rotation are really mysteries to me. I don't know what to expect. A few things we do know: Hi SirSaxa. Good questions. I am going to take a crack at a couple (just one man's opinion). I think the bench will obviously lengthen given the talent coming in. But I don't see any of the incoming freshman starting until they get a handle on the system. And I do see the incoming freshman jumping ahead of the most of the bech players early on (too much talent to keep on the bench). Some of the guys around here are very high on PEII. They have seen him play and I haven't, but I am going to reserve judgment on his ability to play the 3 until the season starts and he can show that he has decent range on his jumper. Until then, I would have JG at the 3 and PEII at the 4. Macklin backing up PEII and Summers backing up JG. It would be nice but I just don't see anyone else coming in at this point. Then again, what do I know... Yes to both. I think he will get some minutes early on as the first sub at guard if he adjusts quickly. Fair point about the offense under JTIII, but I think playing the Princeton in HS gives him a bit of a head-start (not sure how much -- which is why I am saiying IF his adjustment is easier). Tough one -- I would say more likely to be Macklin, as he improves our interior game with his rebounding and put-backs. Summers may have a harder time getting minutes? I think Roy is going to be more of the fiery, vocal leader. I just don't think that is JG's style. But JG will still be the leader in that the offense runs though him and as he goes, so go the Hoyas. HOYA SAXA back at ya!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 8, 2006 14:26:47 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume kenner will start mid juneish again? When will they put out the schedule?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 8, 2006 15:15:07 GMT -5
I doubt Ewing was much better than 30% from 3 in Kenner. There was a two game stretch where he was about 1-14. He was still better than expected, I suppose, and that may have warped some memories. He is not a "good shooter," especially if you consider him a SF. He is acceptable at best - and that might be generous since he has been in college for two years and has shown no ability to hit 3s. Sure, he was misused at Indiana, but "good" shooters show something over two years. People are getting way ahead of themselves if they expect Ewing to even average 1 three a game and shoot over 30%. His real impact will be on D, rebounding, and finishing around the basket. "Acceptable at best" might be a bit harsh. He did shoot 50% from the floor at Indiana and though he didn't shoot many threes from the power forward slot, he was 3-7 for his career. So he can shoot out there, but chooses not to which is good. But you're right that all Ewing has to do is keep the defense honest with his range. We don't need him jacking threes when his real value is in the mid-range and moving towards the basket.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Apr 8, 2006 17:17:55 GMT -5
think it will be pe2/summers at the 3 and green/mack at the 4
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Post by prhoya on Apr 9, 2006 11:51:41 GMT -5
Green will back-up Roy at 5. VM culd share some minutes there, depending on the other team.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 9, 2006 14:24:56 GMT -5
Pat Ewing - The Tombs - 5 games
No one got me out to Gtown this summer as much as PE2. What a 180 I did concerning this guy. I'll admit it I didn't want him at GU. Especially if he was going to take up a schollie. I was still burned over the fact that he (and his mom) picked Indiana over GU two years ago. And seeing how unimpressive his numbers at Indiana were, I thought giving him a scholarship, even if it was for just two years, was a waste and a major mistake.
That's why I'm not the coach. I'm just some dude with a computer and an ill informed opinion
Now I'm contemplating creating a religion devoted to him...or at the very least a nifty fan club. There have been some naysayers here and on other boards who were overly critical of him when his performance wasn't all that great. But lets bet real here. Junior is legit. He's been my fave player to keep track of this summer and the one who has done the most to excite me (and this is without my seeing arguably his best game which was the first one he played this summer).
Five times I have seen Ewing play this summer. And only one time did I think he had a bad performance. That came against Custom Uniform when the frosh didn't play and Ewing's shot was off. Yet because he had to keep trying to score to help his team win, that meant he had to keep shooting despite the misses. It also meant that he likely felt the need to press things a bit, which led to a few bad turnovers (mostly charges) on his part. Unlike a couple of other posters I didn't think he was just jacking up quick shots (he took mostly good shots within the offense when he was open and when there wasn’t really any alternatives...they just didn't fall). The game against Universal I don't consider a bad performance. He did some very good things in the game but severe foul trouble limited his minutes on the floor. Every other time out however I felt he was stellar.
What does he give the Hoyas? Well, first of all a bunch of athletic arrogance. PE2 is no diva or trash talker out there on the floor. But he definitely has the look and walk of a guy who is confident about what he can do. This isn't some shrinking violet who is reluctant to step up and take a big shot if needed. If he can't find a teammate in a better position to score he will indeed take the shots that are available. And what a nice looking shot he has. Doesn't matter if the jumpshot is from 8 feet or 18. The form looks good and Pat looks very confident when releasing. And he hits them from all types of angles. Baseline jumpers. Pull ups in the lane. Jumpers beyond the arc. Makes no difference. Unlike Owens and Bowman he actually lifts himself a good way off the floor when taking the majority of his jumpshots. Its that elevation that I feel helps him square up so well before letting the ball go. Ewing was not this good from the perimeter a couple of years ago. And after his experience at Indiana in which he was almost exclusively used in the paint, you would think he would be a bit shell shocked when it comes to playing on the perimeter. However Pat doesn't appear as if those years at Bloomington affected his confidence in the least. Instead he comes across as a man who has escaped from a form of prison and is finally getting the opportunity to show what he can do. Lets understand something: Ewing may start as a four on the Tombs but he has spent the majority of his time on offense away from the basket like a wing. And I'm betting this is by design considering the Princeton elements that's incorporated in the Tomb's offensive scheme. I'm sure the coaches at GU were sold on Ewing once they saw he can play ala Jeff ( a tall guy with a deadly faceup game) and they have most likely instructed the Tombs' coach to allow Ewing the freedom to roam on the perimeter and sharpen those skills.
His handle is much better than anticipated too. Even those who saw flaws in his games during his worst performances admitted to this. He's another guy who can handle the press and see over it. He drives with relative ease in the halfcourt, good enough to draw defenders when he does. He's not on Owens level on this front but I gotta say based upon what I've seen he is more competent with the dribble than Brandon. Doesn't have Brandon's first step but he doesn't accumulate as many mishaps with the rock. He is a legit creator for a guy at his position.
He's a true team player. Ewing doesn't act like a kid who thinks he is entitled to anything because of what his dad has done for the program. He understands the team concept and gets the ball to the right players at the right time. Very unselfish but still, somehow, aggressive, if that makes any sense. He seems to know he can get his whenever he wants and turns it up a notch or two when necessary.
And then there's that athleticism. Good God the bloodlines are clearly at work here. Recently on this forum there have been debates about this subject matter. My feeling is there are levels of good athleticism. Well, Ewing is more of the elite level type and was as explosive as anyone I've seen this summer. He has the type of athleticism that leaves you in anticipation. You're just wondering how he is gonna rock the rim as he approaches the hole. But its not just the fast break dunks. Its also the close in layups at difficult angles. Its his ability to glide and float through the air. I wrote before that I've been frustrated with the "finishing ability" of some of the current and former Hoyas over the years. I had to close my eyes whenever Boubacar Aw went in for a freakin’ layup during the fast break. Then there were even first rounders like Jerome Williams who had difficulties adjusting midair causing them to blow opportunities too. This is not an issue with Pat. In fact I'll go s far to say he is the best finisher the Hoyas have had since Allen Iverson and Victor Page. Considering that he is far taller than either of those two that makes him even deadlier when trailing on the break (and no that doesn’t mean he will dominate on offense like those guys so don’t misunderstand what I’m posting). I hope I don't get struck down by lightning when writing this but Pat has a bit of Stacey Augmon in him when he's running at a full sprint with the ball moments from his hands and the basket only a few long steps away. He doesn't get bothered by defenders in his path nor does he flinch at the thought of contact. He just finishes. If the Hoyas grab a board off an opponent's missed shot and get a running start he is an ultimate weapon.
Ewing's major hops allow him to sky for a lot of block shots and rebounds. But if you're expecting Ewing to come in and dominate on the glass routinely ala Junk Yard Dog you'll be in for a disappointment. He's a bit above 6'8 but he doesn't have any true bulk and he doesn't appear to be strong to push around true big guys. His frame is perfect for a three which I think is his legit position. But he doesn't have the type of frame that is tailor made for banging down low. Like with Bowman if he gets a lot of boards its because of his length and his athleticism. Other than that he will have to will himself to get the job done. The concern, as it is for Bowman and was for Courtland Freeman, is that he has the tendency to get worn down while positioning himself in the paint as the game goes on. And this is just summer league! By the way don't expect him to go around pushing people off the block either. An average sized college center and PF could definitely back him down unless he gets to work in the weight room.
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Doesn't get an A or a B+ because of the two sub par games. But he's been my favorite player to follow this particular summer. I don't want to curse him ala RBB and DJ but he does have potential to do great things. Those of you who assume that if the Hoyas get Macklin to go along with Summers that that means Ewing comes off the bench for cleanup duties better slow your roll. Its going to be extremely difficult to keep this guy off the floor. He's by far the best athlete the Hoyas currently have and good enough right now to crack Gtown's starting lineup for the '05-'06 season. I think with a year off to work to improve his skills even further he could be an impact player by the time he's eligible.
That comes from MCI's KL Recap.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Apr 9, 2006 19:46:16 GMT -5
wow haha im pumped from that... that right there says its pe2 at the 3
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Post by prhoya on Apr 10, 2006 0:39:35 GMT -5
No way next year he'll have fatigue problems. The frontcourt PT will be shared and everyone will be fresh.
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