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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2006 21:56:41 GMT -5
I disagree totally. We hit our foul shots, and we aren't having this conversation. We failed to execute down the stretch. Len Elmore said it best at the end: "Who will be that clutch player for G-town in this game?". Well, we didn't get it in the clutch. Its not the staff. Its the players. They didn't execute in the clutch and SU did. Have to agree with you, _way. The only reason the lead wasn't extended was because we couldn't hit our FTs. The slow-down tempo had nothing to do with us losing, except that it might have given us more time to come back after losing the lead (which we were inevitably going to lose the way we were shooting from the line). The only thing that's shocking was that Cuse wasn't able to take the lead earlier. Disagree. We let them back into the game by being incredibly tentative on offense, then when the game started to get tight, so did our windpipes. Keep being aggressive with the lead, or you're begging for a letdown.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 22:03:56 GMT -5
Frazier, so if BB hits both from the line, JG hits both from the line, and Roy hits both from the line from the 4 min mark to the 2 min mark, are we still talking about our coaching staff's strategy? How bout if they each went 1 for 2?
No. And no.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 22:05:50 GMT -5
I would be, Rockaway.
We lost a 16 point lead in about ten minutes because stopped trying to score before the 10 second mark.
You can't delay for 20 minutes and we tried to do it.
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Post by Filo on Mar 10, 2006 22:07:40 GMT -5
My main problem with the Princeton offense, as the Hoyas play it, is that they are over-thinking and over-passing. If you have a decent shot in the paint, take it. Don't hesitate, look around and try to dish it under the basket in traffic or kick it back out for a three every single time. When they look to shoot in the paint, as JG did a few times, it usually works (granted JG had that awful miss).
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 22:11:24 GMT -5
You're a nitpicker, SF. And we love you for it.
But aside from yourself, 99.9% of this board would not give a damn about our slow it up strategy towards the end if we just hit our FTs and won the game by 7. Guaranteed.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 22:11:40 GMT -5
My main problem with the Princeton offense, as the Hoyas play it, is that they are over-thinking and over-passing. If you have a decent shot in the paint, take it. Don't hesitate, look around and try to dish it under the basket in traffic or kick it back out for a three every single time. When they look to shoot in the paint, as JG did a few times, it usually works (granted JG had that awful miss). I don't disagree. Except it isn't offense. See the first half, the second half yesterday, Duke, etc. It is this particular half. And specifically it has happened routinely when we have been up big at half.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:12:56 GMT -5
princeton offense with these athletes is amazing but at points we should just let our boys play when we are playing great in the uptempo game
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 10, 2006 22:21:57 GMT -5
I think I give equal blame to the players and coaches (maybe even more to the players) for the way the offense worked in the 2nd half. Clearly in the first half we had the offense going the way it is supposed to. Then, in the second half, once SU got those first few points, many of our players looked very unsure. Maybe it is JTIII telling them to hold the ball, but it seems more to me that it is our guys afraid to do something with the ball so they pass it around until someone realizes time is almost up and then they get a bad shot or no shot. Once this team gets a player who DEMANDS the ball in crunch time, whether that cruch time be at the end of the game or with 1 tic on the shot clock at 15:00 left in the first half, we will see much better results in games like tonight. Until then, once the confidence goes on this team, it goes for everyone.....although I think if someone would pass Roy the ball more regularly, he could be that guy that would take the big shot. He might not always make it at this point in his career, but he seems to be the player closest to DEMANDING the ball that this team has. This is not a knock on the players themselves......that is a special quality to have and MOST players don't have it. However, teams that do have them are successful in big games more often than not. (As much as it pains me, see McNamara, Gerry of Syracuse)
I do, however, question the staff on some issues in the game-
1. Where was Wallace in the 2nd half? He played very well in the first- shot 2-4 on 3's and took the ball to the hole. We needed that in the 2nd and I barely remember seeing him in the game. 2. Why no time out after SU takes the lead and we have the ball on our end with about 10 seconds left? We have one time out left......what was it being saved for? Call a TO and set up a play to win the darn game. You set a screen or 2 to get someone open for a decent jumper with about 5-6 tics left and put Jeff and Roy on either side of the basket to tip it in on a miss. I am sure there are a number of other plays that could have been called. Clearly one of them would not be to dribble into nowhere land and then turn the ball over.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:24:12 GMT -5
High we gotta stop questioning where wallace was and just question where the whole gtown team and coaching staff was in the 2nd half... dj was the one who disappearedthe most... the hot hand in the first half played No d whatsoever
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 11, 2006 2:23:19 GMT -5
Guys, I honestly think this loss had nothing to do with our second half offense and EVERYTHING to do with the defense we played in the second half, which was none. Ratnamara's looks were so clean that I thought it was a summer league game. Seriously, the announcers were all lauding him, but it's easy to hit shots when you don't have a hand in your face. Secondly, we just don't have a killer instinct. It's just not there with this team. Jeff is our most talented player, but he's our most passive. BoBo is our second most talented player, and he's right up there with Jeff in the passive department. Hopefully this will change next season when Ewing can play. He plays with fire, and I really believe that it will spread throughout the team. But this year, we are what we are. We will never put a team away when we have them down because it's just not in our character. We had west virginia dead to rights twice, and we let them back in it. It's not a pattern anymore. It is what it is. Syracuse came out in the second half and took SEVEN possessions to score. How many points did we score in that time? ZERO. If we score just two baskets in that time span, we go up 19 points and the Orange probably pack it in. But we don't they get seven straight points and, hey, it's a ballgame again. We have to stomp on teams when they're down. We haven't done that.
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Post by edstimes on Mar 11, 2006 9:27:02 GMT -5
Could tell no difference between them and an Esherick coached team in the second half. It's unlikely that an Esherick coached team would have qualified for the BIG EAST tournament this year. Besides, how can you expect JT III to win a game like yesterday's without a serious renovation of McDonough? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Do you see why?
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 11, 2006 15:18:57 GMT -5
taking our time with 6 minutes to go isnt a bad play, but the problem is that we just waited much too long to get things started. wait till the shot clock gets to 15 and then start running our normal offense of driving, cutting, passing to the middle of the zone. it takes up to 15 seconds for our offense to get a good shot, and i just dont understand why we would hold it until 7 seconds and then try to do something.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Mar 11, 2006 15:34:37 GMT -5
My problem with the delay was in the last minute. We were up one point. No matter how good a look we got, there was a good chance we would miss - unless your team in shooting 80%, this is true for every shot.by waiting, we essentially risk giving them the last shot with a chance to win it. Knowing the foul situation, we should have gone for a two-for-one, with the knowledge that if we missed and they took the lead, we would have time to both score a basket of our own AND commit the three fouls needed to put them on the line if we missed.
This makes sense to me, but I guess that's why I watch at home and others get paid to watch from the sideline.
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