TigerHoya
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Post by TigerHoya on Feb 27, 2006 11:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Feb 27, 2006 11:47:24 GMT -5
Yuk. I would hate to play bucknell. Seton Hall and UTEP both on the bubble and ACC with only 4 teams.
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Post by georgetowngrad05 on Feb 27, 2006 11:48:53 GMT -5
How on earth is Kansas seeded above us? I know they are hot right now but they just got killed by Texas and have some really bad losses (Kansas State, Missouri, St. Joes, Nevada, Arizona) More evidence Lunardi is really hitting that dope.
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Post by Locker on Feb 27, 2006 12:45:35 GMT -5
The thing that kills me is constantly seeing Pitt so high (a 2 seed) compared to us (a 6). Yes, they're a half-game ahead of us in the Big East right now. Yes, they went undefeated in non-conference play. BUT:
1. Is (a) beating Wisconsin and South Carolina in nonconference play really more impressive than (b) beating Dook and UTEP but losing to Vandy and Illinois? Not in a year when Dook only has one loss, says I.
2. We beat Old Man Krauser and the Gang in our only meeting this season.
Even if they deserve the edge, the seed spread should be 1 or 2, not 4.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 27, 2006 12:53:04 GMT -5
Bracketography also has us as a 6 in Jacksonville playing Bucknell, with the winner getting the winner of WG/Penn. (Nova bracket)
Bracketboard has us as a 5 in San Diego playing Southern Illinois. Winner gets UCLA/Wisconsin-Milwaukee. (Memphis bracket)
Bracket Express has us as a 5 playing Hofstra in San Diego, with the winner getting UCLA/Northwestern St. (Memphis bracket)
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Post by bostonhoya05 on Feb 27, 2006 12:58:07 GMT -5
This is not looking past anyone, but if we ever made it to the 2nd round of the BET, that would be the key game in terms of getting on the map for a 4-seed.
A win on Saturday and a first-round BET victory and you'd have to say we're pretty set with a 6 at a minimum and more likely a 5.
I think you'd have to say the following, assuming we knock off USF on Saturday:
Lose in BET 1st Round - 5-6 seed
Lose in BET 2nd Round - 5 seed
Lose in BET Semi - 4-5 seed
Lose in BET Final - 3-4 seed
Win BET - 2-3 seed
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Post by guru on Feb 27, 2006 13:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 27, 2006 13:17:01 GMT -5
My email to Lunardi - note I kept it friendly hoping for a response:
Hey Joe,
Enjoy reading bracketology every week but I do have a question about 1 team's current seeding. Kansas.
I guess to me more specific how you justify giving them a 5 seed and Georgetown(Yes I am a fan) a 6 seed.
According to your #'s Georgetown has a better RPI(#22 to #45) and a better SOS(#53 to #73).
Gtown boasts wins over Duke, Pitt, and Cuse. While Kanas biggest wins have come against Oklahoma, Kentucky, and @colorado. I would assume this would also lean in the favor of Gtown.
The teams have identical records at 19-7 but Gtown has zero "bad" losses while Kansas has fallen to both Kansas St. and Mizzou.
Lastly I realize Kansas has been hot lately 9-1 in the last 10 while Gtown is just 7-3, but your bracketology comes after a weekend where Gtown beat Cuse by double digits and Kansas gets embarrassed by Texas.
Any answers to these puzzling seedings would be appreciated.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 27, 2006 13:27:41 GMT -5
Yuk. I would hate to play bucknell. Seton Hall and UTEP both on the bubble and ACC with only 4 teams. Usually they don't want teams that have played each other during the season in the same bracket (UTEP) but as we've played SO MANY TOURNAMENT TEAMS this year, I guess we've made that very difficult. |
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 27, 2006 13:31:10 GMT -5
This is not looking past anyone, but if we ever made it to the 2nd round of the BET, that would be the key game in terms of getting on the map for a 4-seed. A win on Saturday and a first-round BET victory and you'd have to say we're pretty set with a 6 at a minimum and more likely a 5. I think you'd have to say the following, assuming we knock off USF on Saturday: Lose in BET 1st Round - 5-6 seed Lose in BET 2nd Round - 5 seed Lose in BET Semi - 4-5 seed Lose in BET Final - 3-4 seed Win BET - 2-3 seed If we won the BET...we would be 24-7 having beat at least one if not two of either Nova, UConn, West Virginia or Pitt and another tourney team (Marquette, Syracuse, Cincy, etc) We would be a 1 seed...without a doubt. |
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Post by dTRAIN on Feb 27, 2006 13:34:05 GMT -5
Ding ding ding. We have a winner for unbridled optimism.
I don't see any way we end up a 1 seed, even with a BET run beating Pitt, UConn and Nova. I think that would get us a 2.
That being said, let's just beat USF and see where things fall.
dTRAIN
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 27, 2006 13:58:34 GMT -5
Ding ding ding. We have a winner for unbridled optimism. I don't see any way we end up a 1 seed, even with a BET run beating Pitt, UConn and Nova. I think that would get us a 2. That being said, let's just beat USF and see where things fall. dTRAIN So you think that's delusional? Work the numbers dTrain. If the season ended today, the BET looks something like this... #8 SHU v. #9 Cincy winner plays #1 UConn #5 Gtown v. #11 Louisville winner plays #4 Pitt #7 Cuse v. #10 Rutgers winner plays #2 Nova #6 Marquette v. #12 St. John's winner plays #3 WVU So, in order to get to win the finals over probable finalist #2 Nova, we would have to beat #71 Louisville, #7 Pitt and #3 UConn. So in one weekend, we would have beaten the 2, 3, 7 and 71 team in the nation on a neutral court. I can safely say that at that point, we would be the ONLY TEAM IN THE NATION with wins against the RPI and Coaches/AP Poll's 1, 2, and 3 team in the nation...Duke, Nova, UConn. Not to mention: We would be 5-4 against top 20 teams with 3-4 road/neutral record. We would be 8-6 against top 50 teams with 4-5 road/neutral record. We would be 12-5 in road/neutral games in general and 8-2 in the BE. Not saying we are going to win the BET, or even win it in that fashion, but if we did, I am fairly confident we would have a top 4 RPI and a solid #1 seed. |
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Post by dTRAIN on Feb 27, 2006 14:09:13 GMT -5
Bridge,
I wouldn't say delusional. I think we get a 2, so we're talking maybe only a 3 RPI spot difference.
Your numbers are right, I just can't think of any 1 seeds that had 7 losses. I think that is just too many losses to get a 1 seed.
I'd love it if we end up with this question answered. I think we'd both be ecstatic, regardless of who wins.
dTRAIN
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 27, 2006 14:12:59 GMT -5
I think dTrain is right. Despite the strong finish, I think something like the Vandy loss or even the Marquette loss is a blow to our chances for a #1 seed. No way that I'd pick us over Nova or UCONN even if the above scenario played out.
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Post by geedell on Feb 27, 2006 16:30:16 GMT -5
Bridge, I wouldn't say delusional. I think we get a 2, so we're talking maybe only a 3 RPI spot difference. Your numbers are right, I just can't think of any 1 seeds that had 7 losses. I think that is just too many losses to get a 1 seed. I'd love it if we end up with this question answered. I think we'd both be ecstatic, regardless of who wins. dTRAIN Michigan St had 7 losses in 2000. |
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Post by ephoya04 on Feb 27, 2006 16:58:22 GMT -5
I'm in the moderately pessimistic camp too, that even if we win out, its a stretch to make us a 1, esp. with so many people already conceding them to Duke, Nova, UConn and Memphis/Texas...its going to be VERY hard to catapult over so many teams
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 27, 2006 17:19:06 GMT -5
Niether Memphis nor Texas would have beaten one, let alone three of the top 4.
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Post by ArtVandalay on Feb 27, 2006 17:20:07 GMT -5
What a nice feeling to be able to talk about seeding, and while it is all specualtion, it is very interesting to see what a difference a soft bracket can make.
How about this-
ATL - #1 Duke, #2 Gonzaga #3 Illinois, #4 UCLA, #5 Gtown - - - - In this bracket I am not sure I would call our team better than those top 4 (on a night in, night out basis..obviously we beat duke, but we are not a better team IMHO)
OAK - #1 Memphis, #2 Texas, #3 GW, #4 Kansas, #5 Gtown - - - - In this group we very well could be the best of the bunch. Kansas is young, GW (do I even have to put a comment), Texas is inconsistent at best, and Memphis is solid but young and unproven.
Under scenario 2, we could be looking at a final four...please dont wake me up from my dream!
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Post by ephoya04 on Feb 27, 2006 17:20:29 GMT -5
I'm just saying, I'd be shocked if the committee wasn't at least slighty affected by the media
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Post by FOTP on Feb 27, 2006 17:24:51 GMT -5
It really does come down to match-ups. If Memphis is our #1 and we have GW ahead of us as a #3 and say Florida a #4 and maybe a team like Ohio St. as a #2...then we have a nice opportunity.
Let's see what happens.
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