OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 16, 2006 12:02:38 GMT -5
"They've lost three of their last four games, their front line is in shambles due to injury, sickness and inconsistent play and into town roll the Georgetown Hoyas and Pittsburgh Panthers for a pair of crucial Big East games to be played within a span of 48 hours."
"Each presents major matchup problems in the paint for undermanned MU, with Georgetown's trio of Jeff Green, Brandon Bowman and Roy Hibbert first up at 8 tonight at the Bradley Center."
The above quotes are samplings from newspapers in the MU area. This is a home game before a sellout crowd on national TV. The refs read the same papers, and like the WVU game will not foul out the lone frontcourt star, Novak. Nor will they put the already depleted frontline in foul trouble against the Hoyas. We fans have gotten what we wanted, the Hoyas are now respected and feared, but what comes with that is the tendency for the refs to try to "even the game " by not calling obvious fouls on the underdog, especially at home, and maybe calling the flop fouls against the Hoyas.
This, I fear will happen tonight. These Hoyas must be prepared to play through this. Eventhough they are getting fouled without the calls, they must continue to take it to the basket . They must be smart enough to expect a lot of flopping on the part of the MU big men so Hibbert, Green, and Bowman must play accordingly while being aggressive at the same time. They must let their coach work the officials, not them . Just keep playing hard and smart. Finally, they must not get caught up in the frenzy and try to run and gun with this team. Remember the WVU game; how they stuck to their system and won , and we forgot ours and lost.
The Hoyas in the 70's and 80's were respected and feared and got the shafts of the refs, but they expected it and won anyway. Lets go Hoyas! "You are Georgetown"
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2006 12:07:56 GMT -5
Okay, let me get this straight:
1) Do refs favor the favorites because they assume that "they must have been fouled" (i.e., the Duke argument).
2) Or do they favor the underdog to keep the game even?
Reality is, it is a road game. MU will probably get a few more calls, but likely it will be even. More important to us is whether it is consistent and whether we respond to it well.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 16, 2006 12:15:21 GMT -5
I don't know it always seems that no matter how good the hoyas are they always get the shaft from the refs. They apparently just don't like us.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2006 12:17:49 GMT -5
The refs have hated us for years.
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Post by Boz on Feb 16, 2006 12:24:25 GMT -5
The refs have hated us for years. It's true. I've been to some of their clandestine meetings in the Stonecutter's temple. ;D On a more serious note, I think there ARE some refs who we would rather not be calling this game. Anyone know which three we got, or how to find out? (Apologies if that information has been posted or is available on the board.) |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 16, 2006 12:35:09 GMT -5
Do I expect the refs to put Marquette into foul trouble tonight? No.
But do I expect us to draw more than 8 fouls tonight? Absolutely. Sunday's officiating was a joke, and I would hope to god we never see that crew again. This team has too much strength inside the paint to only draw 8 fouls in an entire game and not see a single free throw within the bonus. We certainly are better in the paint than Seton Hall, and they got 20 free throws as compared to our 5. That's the difference between winning and losing right there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2006 12:40:44 GMT -5
It's true. I've been to some of their clandestine meetings in the Stonecutter's temple. ;D Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? Who rigs every Oscar night? Who robs kingfish of their sight? Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do. |
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Post by hoya0611 on Feb 16, 2006 12:47:19 GMT -5
It's true. I've been to some of their clandestine meetings in the Stonecutter's temple. ;D Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? Who rigs every Oscar night? Who robs kingfish of their sight? Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do. Please, knock the refs all you want, but lay off of Steve Guttenberg. The man is an icon, right hightower. Seriously, the refs are not out to get us. Yeah they make bad calls, but they're human. Play Hoya bball and Gtown will be fine. |
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Post by stafford72 on Feb 16, 2006 12:55:48 GMT -5
Georgetown is NOT a team that routinely gets other teams in foul trouble. When our inside game is working, the shots are usually fairly uncontested by Hibbert, or Jeff has blown by someone for an easy layup. Mostly, we shoot threes and take backdoor layups or spot up jumpers. We don't attack the basket much or win scrums for putback shots which can draw fouls. I expect this to change somewhat next year.
On the plus side, considering JTII's refusal to explore his bench, we almost never get in serious foul trouble either. Part of this is our tendency to have fewer possessions which transcribes to fewer opportunities for both sides to commit fouls.
It is typical of many fans to feel that they are getting "jobbed" by officials. Rarely is it true beyond the occasional "bad" game. When there are relatively few fouls called tonight, don't blame the refs.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2006 13:11:59 GMT -5
We are more susceptible than most teams, I think, to a very loosely called game. Our offense is precision-based (kinda like the Martz Rams or current Colts in football) and our defense is passive and is more of a solid, don't foul D rather than an aggressive, force turnovers type. We also aren't much of an offensive rebounding team.
The result is, when a game is called very loose, it is hard to us to get off good shots amidst the grabbing and hacking. We don't take full advantage of the resulting O board opportunities. And on defense, we don't hack and grab enough to let the loose officiating give us an advantage.
On the flip, as long as a game isn't called so tight as to get us in foul trouble, tighter officiating helps us, I think. Roy's good FT shooter and the back cuts become cleaner.
OTOH, unlike v WVU, we adjusted to loose officiating versus Pitt and did fine.
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Post by FOTP on Feb 16, 2006 14:13:19 GMT -5
Refs have been fine...let's not be paranoid.
In general we do a very good job of defending without fouling. WV fouls less than almost any team in the country...that's what they do.
The most important thing today...Vegas likes the Hoyas -1.5...moved up from PK. Nice.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 16, 2006 14:52:15 GMT -5
Let's go in there and kick Warrior butts... I mean Golden whatever...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 16, 2006 22:14:43 GMT -5
It ain't the refs. IT'S US. It wasn't the refs in the west virginal game. IT WAS US. WE were the ones who stunk up the joint in the second half. WE are the ones who are rolling over to marquette as we speak. Lay off the freaking refs!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 16, 2006 23:29:45 GMT -5
the refs were pretty bad to us during this game altough i was drunk so i might not be 100%right on this. Could someone clarify i thought we were getting a raw deal.
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Post by LeRoyHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:32:45 GMT -5
No raw deal from the refs. We just got treated to the old version of the G'town offense. Chuck and duck. Even my 8th graders can attack a zone better than these guys.
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Post by Grandpa on Feb 17, 2006 0:07:51 GMT -5
No raw deal from the refs. We just got treated to the old version of the G'town offense. Chuck and duck. Even my 8th graders can attack a zone better than these guys. Our performance tonight was ugly no doubt, but I disagree regarding the refs. I hadn't read this thread until just now (after the game), but to me OldHoyaFan was like Nostradamus on this one regarding the refs calling it loose. I'll make the common assertion when one questions the officiating in a particular game that it may not have specifically "cost" us the game; however, I do think the way the game was called forced us into a style of play in which we really couldn't leverage Jeff's abilities on the inside had the game been called a little tighter. Nonetheless, the team needs to be able to overcome such obstacles if we expect to be one of the 4 teams earning a bye in the BET. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 17, 2006 0:19:33 GMT -5
reffing rarely costs a team a game but it certianly doesn't help as i said of the WV game poor execution and for us loose calling or just bad officiating is kiler just one of those things and we cna squeak out victories.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2006 0:51:35 GMT -5
Refs were awful tonight.
Refs can change the momentum of a game with a key blown call.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 17, 2006 0:55:53 GMT -5
It ain't the refs. IT'S US. It wasn't the refs in the west virginal game. IT WAS US. WE were the ones who stunk up the joint in the second half. WE are the ones who are rolling over to marquette as we speak. Lay off the freaking refs! It was the refs for the WVU game. Anyone who was at the game could plainly see that. As for tonight, we just got outplayed by a team that was far hungrier than us and made the plays when they needed to. No gripes there. |
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Post by Gold Hoya on Feb 17, 2006 3:15:30 GMT -5
Cahill and Welmer were fine tonight. Shaw (and his obsession with telling the players on both benches to sit down) seemed to blow the Wallace end-line call (haven't seen a replay), but he also made the two very questionable five-second calls on Marquette while the Hoyas made the 2nd half run. James (or was it McNeil) was on his way to the basket against Wallace and the inbound five seconds came really fast.
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