FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 28, 2006 14:05:12 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't care what grades players come in with. We all know that a large majority of our basketball players (and to a lesser extent other athletes) could not get into Georgetown without assistance, so why should it matter how deficient the scores and grades are. If such an athlete is willing to do what it takes to graduate while they are at Georgetown, then so long as they meet whatever sham standards the NCAA sets, we should admit them. It is the end result that matters.
That being said, the character of the player matters more than the scores. Because of the new rules reducing scholarships of schools whose players do not graduate, we can no longer take these risks with a "no harm , no foul" attitude. Now when a player can't/refuses to hack it, it hurts the program. If JTIII believes that a kid can make it, then it is the right move for the program and school.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 1, 2006 13:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2006 13:57:59 GMT -5
If JTIII believes that a kid can make it, then it is the right move for the program and school. Disagree. It's the role of Admissions to make that call, not just the coaches.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 1, 2006 16:49:32 GMT -5
Daily Tar Heel (UNC student paper) article; mentions Marc and Gtown www.dailytarheel.comGo to opinions section. "Putting The Scholar Back Into..."
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GPHoya
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Post by GPHoya on Mar 1, 2006 17:43:07 GMT -5
The Sports Illustrated editorial posted above is spot on.
The idea that the University should admit anyone that the Coach thinks can make it without regard to grades or test scores is beside the point of this scandal.
The point is that the NCAA is the governing body and has established rules for admissions which member institutions are honor-bound to follow. These phony prep schools issue fraudulent grades to non-existent courses so that universities who admit their graduates can circumvent the NCAA's rules. We chose to admit one of their graduates and we either knew or should have known that we were benefitting from the fraud. It is not materially different from arranging for someone to take an athlete's test and akin to admitting an athlete based upon the results of a test that we know he did not take.
Perhaps we should all admit that we are simply a franchise in an athletic development league that offers educational opportunities to athletes on a quasi-optional basis. Until we do, we should at least stay away from colluding with the likes of Philadelphia Lutheran. To ensure that this happens, our admissions office has to stay in the loop. As much as I admire Coach Thompson, this episode demonstrates that it would be unwise to give him, or any coach, unfettered discretion about which athletes should be admitted to Georgetown.
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Post by guru on Mar 1, 2006 17:45:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us (and for Marc) this story doesn't seem to be going away. I'm sure it will pick up steam as the NCAA Tourney approaches and begins, and perhaps the only downside of our resurgence is that it will allow anyone telling the story to point to Marc - a player on a big name team with (as one poster put it) "Oh, @#%@!" grades and test scores - as Exhibit A of what's wrong with these sham prep schools.
While I don't agree with the decision to take a kid from this type of place, I also feel for Marc. He shouldn't have to be exposed and embarrassed like this. His high school coach really should be ashamed of himself for speaking to a reporter and revealing such personal information about a former player.
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Post by FistOffense on Mar 4, 2006 16:25:38 GMT -5
Apparently, this one really isn't going away. Nor should it. Now the Philly Attorney General is investigating Lutheran. At least this article doesn't call out any players specifically, only naming the Mississippi St players to provide some context for the quote from the AD. Should be interesting to see what comes of this investigation though. www.nytimes.com/2006/03/04/sports/ncaabasketball/04preps.html?pagewanted=print
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