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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 16, 2006 23:43:58 GMT -5
I'm as pessimistic as anyone, but does anyone remember Brandon drilling a shot to go to overtime at Cuse? Ashanti hitting the game-winner at Pitt? Brandon blocking JJ Redick then finishing off with two key FTs? DJ carrying us versus St. John's? I agree that the seniors are maddeningly inconsistent (then again, Jeff was pretty bad, today, too), but they aren't BAD players. They don't always choke down the stretch. This is a team game, and the team looks awful. Because five of the top six players didn't come to play. Only three of those five are seniors. Shame on the two sophomores Wallace and Green for not carrying our three seniors to victory. It's naive to think that teams don't rely more heavily on their seniors to carry the flag in close games. Cook and Owens may not be "BAD" but they're not very good either. In the end, there is only one rational response . . . Damn you Esherick, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!! No, strike that . . . CAUSEY!!!
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 16, 2006 23:47:37 GMT -5
For those, such as myself, needing a diversion: JTIII's tie, a tribute to the Carnaseca Sweater or to Hoosier coach Mike Davis, who wore a tie of a similar color and pattern in a clip run on the halftime show? More like Syracuse colors to jinx us.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Feb 16, 2006 23:49:43 GMT -5
The only thing that hurts more than the loss is being smack in the middle of UMCP territory. My coworkers are gonna have a field day with me tomorrow. I never thought I'd say this, but tomorrow I might have to kill a man. Time to channel my inner Brick Tamland . . . ;D
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Post by YB on Feb 17, 2006 0:17:10 GMT -5
I'd like to point out that I thought they looked tired, as they did vs WVU. I think the same late season problems we had last year due to short rotation and fatigue, we are having again. Sad, but they better suck it up bc it's not changing, and they have to make it work.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 17, 2006 0:22:51 GMT -5
YB - agree with you completely - as much as anyone wants to deny or turn their back on the fatigue issue, it exists and it is not going away. lots of teams may use six or seven man rotations, but for some reason, our guys look winded. they get taken out on screens, looks totally out of control on fast breaks and seem to be slow a step on defense.
fatigue is an issue here and we have to turn around and play nova in three days. that's life in big time college hoops...i don't know the solution to this.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 17, 2006 0:25:54 GMT -5
Too many turnovers.
Sounded like bad shot selection on offense too.
The major question is whether Big Dog was lead out of Bradley in handcuffs.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 17, 2006 0:33:34 GMT -5
wowo i'm never drinking durign a game agian you miss too much. who knew ashanti and boman each had 7 pts or that crawford even got in the game damn. That Editeding sucked but we'll recover and move on. WIth a sober HSB we'll win the rest of our games lets go HOYAS!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 17, 2006 0:46:47 GMT -5
The only thing that hurts more than the loss is being smack in the middle of UMCP territory. My coworkers are gonna have a field day with me tomorrow. I never thought I'd say this, but tomorrow I might have to kill a man. Time to channel my inner Brick Tamland . . . ;D just remind them that they lost their 4th in a row to clemson that should shut them up.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 17, 2006 0:54:50 GMT -5
Too many turnovers. Sounded like bad shot selection on offense too. The major question is whether Big Dog was lead out of Bradley in handcuffs. talked to BD during and after the game...he said he was disgusted by the performance - the worst game from start to finish that we've played all year - at least in conference. anyway, no word from him that he encountered any difficulty extricating himself from the Bradley Center.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 17, 2006 0:57:40 GMT -5
Too many turnovers. Sounded like bad shot selection on offense too. The major question is whether Big Dog was lead out of Bradley in handcuffs. talked to BD during and after the game...he said he was disgusted by the performance - the worst game from start to finish that we've played all year - at least in conference. anyway, no word from him that he encountered any difficulty extricating himself from the Bradley Center. That's good to hear. I'll keep my fingers crossed that he doesn't Barkley anybody through a window at Goolsby's during the post-game.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 17, 2006 1:02:53 GMT -5
Outplayed tonight, simple as that. No need to blame anyone, Marquette was just hungrier and made the plays when they needed to in key situations. Obviously our outside shooting has to improve, and we have to take care of the ball better. I'm just praying our guys are in a temporary funk, and it's not a conditioning issue. Because if it's the latter, our problems will only get worse as the season wears on.
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Post by burghoya on Feb 17, 2006 1:20:40 GMT -5
In the past two games, I've noticed the guys just look extremely run down in the last 5-10 minutes... is it a flaw in our system or lack of conditioning or too much... I don't know.
What solved my anger tonight was men's figure skating. My roommate, noting I was about to throw a chair through the TV quickly changed the channel to the olympics and it was on... my mood quickly changed when I realized once again how rediculous the "sport" was and how I'm lucky to have a team like the hoya's to be proud of instead of a guy in sequiney spandex dancing around to music from the flashdance soundtrack... God bless you winter olympics for putting my life into perspective.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2006 2:24:54 GMT -5
YB, why the heck do our players seem to be the only ones with conditioning issues? WVU runs the same offense with the same size rotation, and they seem fine. Duke runs a faster offense with the same rotation (actually smaller while Nelson was injured). Villanova's rotation isn't much bigger, either (7 guys).
I will say I didn't see tired, and the shots weren't uniformly short.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Feb 17, 2006 3:01:07 GMT -5
Perspective from the Bradley Center: I disagree with those who said the effort was there. The entire team had a blank look on their face for the majority of the game. 1st half: Bowman fumbles the ball, 2 Marquette guys jump on the floor, Brandon stares down. 2nd half: Roy spells Jeff for a rest at around the 10-minute mark, Jeff walks off slowly with a blank look on his face.
Sapp & Egerson got so much run tonight because nobody else was playing with emotion or intensity.
And given all that - we still had a 49-48 lead. This game could have been won with better execution on a couple of 2nd half possessions.
The team needs to get focused and intense again. And it wouldn't hurt for our best player to have 7 fewer turnovers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2006 6:14:20 GMT -5
This was a team effort.
For some unkown reason, Wallace, Cook and Bowman are in a slump; specifically they just can't hit three point shots. Cook and Wallace were both shooting in the mid 40% range until a few games ago. I am not sure why their 3 point shooting has fallen off so drastically. It is easy to figure out what happened last night. Marquette realized that we couldn't hit 3s and packed it inside. Wallace, Cook and Green turnedthe ball overtyring to penetrate into the middle.
Hopefully they can get their 3 point touch back. IMHO, that is the key
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Post by stantheman on Feb 17, 2006 6:44:54 GMT -5
Georgetown isn't back. We choke, we don't show up...the Princeton offense is yesterday's news...and we're still an also ran. Forget the NCAAs...we'll only embarass ourselves further.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 17, 2006 6:57:35 GMT -5
It isn't a 3-point touch we need, it is better shot selection. The whole offense for long stretches consisted of passing the ball around the perimeter a few times, looking at Roy and ignoring him, then chucking up a 3. The best thing I saw all night was Roy getting angry at the perimeter players- it looked like it was both because they weren't giving him the ball and because they weren't moving on offense.
As far as fatigue, I have a hard time buying it. Unless Coach is working them to the point of passing out from exhaustion every day at practice, 4 days should be plenty of time for 19-20 year old athletes in prime condition to recover from one game to the next. It looks more to me that fatigue/conditioning is not the problem, but laziness is. This offense takes a lot of hard work and patience to run and I think we have a few players (2 in particular) that are just too damn lazy to run it on a consistent basis. As soon as they sens any frustration during the game, they revert to the "chuck it up offense". You would think after 4 years of that, they would realize it doesn't work!!! As I said in another post, someone please show this team the tape of that team that beat Duke.......or even the one that lost to UConn. THAT is the team we need back for the next 4 games and into post-season.
On the bright side, our younger guys seem to be working to run the offense a lot harder than some others. Roy was great last night. Jeff had his worst game ever, but overall, he does not fit the "lazy" description by a long shot. Wallace seemed off.....not sure what to think of him right now. Sapp and Egerson, to me, were the next best performers in the game after Hibbert. Jessie really seems like a positive force out there and he had a big shot right as the shot clock went down and a nice 3-ball that was WITHIN THE OFFENSE!! Marc also had a nice 3 WITHIN THE OFFENSE on a skip pass across the zone. Hopefully the laziness of some other players in running an actual offense will not rub off on these other guys before the big offenders leave. Yes, the seniors have had some great moments in their careers, but there is a reason they have never seen the NCAA tournament.......you would think as seniors they could learn from past mistakes and recent success. There is a big difference between the team of the 7-game win streak and the 2-game losing streak. Let's really shock everyone and come out as that 7-game win streak team against Nova and really take it to them. Maybe these last 2 games are just a ruse to make them think we have lost our composure as a team so we can sneak up on them. GO HOYAS......BEAT VILLANOVA......PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 17, 2006 7:05:09 GMT -5
a truly pathetic performance. easily the worst game we've played this season. they are not a good team. we should have beaten them by 10 if the 5 we had on the floor had half a brain. this team just doesn't seem to get it right now. stupid unforced turnovers....the constant chucking of the first 3 they see.....here are some perfect examples
- cook finally hits a shot to put us up 1 with about 3 left - we get a stop on d - green with one of his 25 turnovers last night refusing to pass the ball out of the post quickly - another stop on d - cook with the senseless offensive foul 22 feet away from the basket - they hit a wide open 3 off of pressure - wallace drives baseline for no apparent reason and steps OOB - james hits a pull up jumper baseline - owens heaves up a 3 with a defender all over him - game over, tv off, night ruined
a horrible job all around, except roy. no adjustments were made no matter how many timeouts were called. i thought sapp and egerson deserved more minutes. cook, owens, green, wallace, and bowman were all useless. this looked like an esh coached team last night.
things better change quick or nova will run us off the floor sunday.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 17, 2006 8:44:43 GMT -5
Let's chill on Ashanti & Brandon. I think everyone on this board owes them for sticking around rather then transferring like Bethel, Hall, Thomas, etc. I agree that they can be outrageously streaky, but I will take it. All we need is a good streak and we are in the sweet 16 (remember DUKE, How long ago was that game, 3 weeks???).
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 17, 2006 9:14:52 GMT -5
the duke game means nothing now. we have lost 2 in a row and are playing our worst ball all season at the worst time. a late season collapse similar to last year is staring us in the face unless things change quickly. nova will bury us if our perimter players don't snap out of it. roy will be a non factor with nova's 4 guard lineup. jeff, brandon, cook, wallace, & owens have to show up or the NIT will be calling our name again. rutgers, su, and usf are not gimmies, in fact nothing is a gimmie to this team.
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