overall ewing effect at georgetown?

[kghoya]

so some of my friends and i got into a conversation about how much one player can effect a university as a whole....

i would have to think that ewing had one of the larger impacts on a school as a whole compared to all other athletes of the last 25 years or so

does anybody have any info on the subject? any facts or figures? possible links to articles or something relevant...

thanks in advance if anybody can add anything

[kghoya]

another guy i was thinking of was michael vick at virginia tech...he kind of put that school on the map nationally...i dont have any real information to add on that player, other than hearing that applications went way up, as well as donations after they played in the 99 national title game vs fsu

[CO_Hoya]

I think it's called the "Flutie Effect", might be a start for Google and a benchmark for significance.

Edited to add search results from Google:

www.knightfdn.org/default.asp?story=athletics/reports/2004_frankreport/summary.html

www.thesportjournal.org/2005Journal/Vol8-No1/michael_lovaglia.asp

[lichoya68]

agree flutie upped bc profile nationally and applications as did patrick for us and michael vick made tech from a 2.9 qpi schol for in staters to like a 3.7 for instaters.. definite publicity and promo effect .. patrick helped us to become one of the most selective schools in the country not just him but that tv and nationall chmpionship expsure was a big part gohoyas go patrick ewing and jr.too beat horace on we.. ;D ;D

[FormerHoya]

Dwayne Wade and the Final Four run at Marquette tripled applications the next year.

Subsequent bad years have, however, intervened to make sure that anyone can still get into Marquette.

[HeartAttackHoya]

Bryce Drew at Valpo...Tim Duncan at Wake...Kenny Anderson at Gtech...Wally Sczerbiack at Miami Ohio..just a few fun ones that came to mind

[kghoya]

so are there any actual articles or commentaries that shows an increase in applications or donations to georgetown that might be linked to ewing helping the hoyas to 3 final fours in 4 years?

[Jack]

kghoya said:

so are there any actual articles or commentaries that shows an increase in applications or donations to georgetown that might be linked to ewing helping the hoyas to 3 final fours in 4 years?

Can't figure out the table thing, so here are the number of applications by year:

1980: 7469
1981: 8140
1982: 8309
1983: 8098
1984: 9263
1985: 10528
1986: 11863
1987: 11939
1988: 11474
1989: 10622
1990: 9399
1991: 9729

Now remember that students must apply well before the NCAA tournament, so you look at the following year for any impact. Note that applications actually went down the year after the 1982 Final Four run, the only dip in an otherwise nearly linear upward trend from 1980-1987.

The increases were slightly larger in 1985 and 1986 than in any other year, so maybe there is some support for the "Ewing Effect," but most of the increase can likely be attributed to other factors, most significantly demographics.

Even if there was a "Ewing Effect," it was pretty short-lived, as applications took a dive from 1987 to the recent low of 1991. Once again, demographics played a major role there. Since then applications have gone up steadily, reaching a current plateau between 15,000-15,500 over the last few years, without the benefit of even so much as a Big East championship.

What those raw numbers also do not show is the quality of the applicant pool, which is much more important than just getting more applicants. Anyone can get a kid to submit an application- just ask Washington University (StL). GU has managed to get those higher numbers of applicants almost entirely from the higher end of the high school population, increasing market share in high achievers at a pretty steady rate.

So is there an overall Ewing Effect at GU? Probably not on admissions, and not even clearly on basketball- after all, they have not been back to the Final 4 since he left.

[aggypryd]

I'm willing to bet that Penn State's applications for enrollment are going to be high this year...

[kghoya]

interesting work jack...i guess ill have to look at merchandising for the 80's...if my memory serves me correct, the hoyas were near the top of that list for the decade...

[DFW HOYA]

Georgetown was #1 in merchandising sales in the early 90's, but it has declined steadily due to the influx of I-A schools getting serious about the merchandising business, the decline of the basketball program, and the lack of promoting the Georgetown brand into other sportswear such as football, baseball, etc. A lot of merchandising these days is football related, as evidenced by the mountain of UTexas merchandise heading into stores this year.

In last year's licensing survey Georgetown placed 49th. For the first time ever, it was passed by another I-AA school, Montana.

[HoyaRejuveNation85]

Jack's right. The unofficial GU position was that there was no admissions spike directly attributable to Patrick, and point to the slight decline Jack's mentions in support of the point. Clearly, though, this was no knock on Patrick, whose presence was appeciated nonetheless. I believe one of the greatest admission spikes was enjoyed by Navy during the David Robinson years. I seem to recall an article in the DC papers about this issue about a decade or more ago.

[HoyaFanNY]

beamer put va tech on the map, not vick. the win over texas in the '95 sugar bowl was the game that put tech in the national spotlight.

[aggypryd]

hoyafanny said:

beamer put va tech on the map, not vick. the win over texas in the '95 sugar bowl was the game that put tech in the national spotlight.

Michael Vick made Virginia Tech a household name...

Not Frank Beamer...

[gamp]

At Georgetown I really think you need to talk about the Thompson effect.

[JohnJacquesLayup]

aggypryd said:

hoyafanny said:

beamer put va tech on the map, not vick. the win over texas in the '95 sugar bowl was the game that put tech in the national spotlight.

Michael Vick made Virginia Tech a household name...

Not Frank Beamer...

Agreed. The news in No. VA after their championship run was about how applications spiked, and thus admission standards raised. I feel like that is most attributable to Vick than Beamer, since most kids are interested in the star players, or the team as a whole, rather than just the coach (besides the kids at Dook that claim the only reason they chose Dook was their lust for coach K).

[aggypryd]

johnjacqueslayup said:

aggypryd said:

Michael Vick made Virginia Tech a household name...

Not Frank Beamer...

Agreed. The news in No. VA after their championship run was about how applications spiked, and thus admission standards raised. I feel like that is most attributable to Vick than Beamer, since most kids are interested in the star players, or the team as a whole, rather than just the coach (besides the kids at Dook that claim the only reason they chose Dook was their lust for coach K).

Don't get me wrong...I freely admit that Va. Tech's success is attributed to Frank Beamer...But when you ask the average Joe on the street about Va. Tech, they're more than likely going to mention Vick before Beamer...

[GIGAFAN99]

I think sports success=more apps=better students is a weak correlation at best.

As Jack pointed out, the so-called "Ewing effect" really doesn't hold though it is often assumed.

Put it this way, when Georgetown's apps set a record in 2001 for both quality and quantity, nobody called it the "Gharun Hester Effect." To attribute very short-term application spikes to the publicity is possible, but to equate that with a better quality student population long term is pretty dicey.

[aggypryd]

Is Iverson killin' Jordan with that crossover or what?

[Jack]

I think Duke may be the rare case of sustained athletic success having a real impact on the student body, but that has as much to do with the type of coverage they receive as it does the W's and L's. Duke has managed to present and preserve this squeaky-clean image with allegedly smarter players and zany, brainy student fans. Every time you turn on a telecast, you hear Dick Vitale talk about how brilliant you have to be go there, and every smart kid who also loves sports thinks that is the place for him to go. That has to help Duke get more and better applicants. I think it should suffice to say that even in the best of times, GU never received similar coverage despite having a very similar student body.