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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 9, 2005 8:22:33 GMT -5
I would personally like to see this team utilize a 2-3 zone as their primary defense. It appears as the best solution for what we currently have for personel.
You have the ability to have Hibbert clog up the middle. You have 2 athletic forwards in Bowman and Green to play the wings and collpase on the inside. I realize Bowman has struggled immensely on offense but he at least is working hard on the defensive end.
I think Cook has been one of the better defenders up to this point, but Wallace seems overmatched when the caliber opponent is not Navy/James Madison. Possibly a zone could hide his lack of ability(although last night when were in a zone, he had a terrible time getting off picks)
I think most would agree that one of the "faults" of going zone is rebounding, as no one has an actual assigned player to box out. However news flash we don't box out anyway. Most of the rebounds have either been because of Hibbert's size or being in the right place at the right time, certainly is not been from our ability to get a body on someone.
I also think that a zone defense directly correlates with our Princeton style offense. By forcing our opponent to extend their possessions, it would seem to benefit an offense that uses a lot of clock. This team will always have difficulty coming from behind because of their offensive strategy, so by limiting possessions on both ends would seem to be to our favor.
I obviously realize they are times when you have to go man to man, but I think going forward from what I have seen (Navy, Oregon, Illinois) the zone appears out best bet to be successful.
Thoughts?
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Dec 9, 2005 8:54:37 GMT -5
last nights D was perfect. They had so many lucky rolls on tap ins that they shoulda only scored 40. We held them to some very hard shots. Deff take the D from last nite every game
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Post by YB on Dec 9, 2005 9:29:55 GMT -5
I like the zone for this team personally- but I could see where man would be good in some circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2005 10:43:20 GMT -5
last nights D was perfect. They had so many lucky rolls on tap ins that they shoulda only scored 40. We held them to some very hard shots. Deff take the D from last nite every game Luck has nothing to do with it. The occasional silly tap in or fortunate bounce balances out over the course of a game, let alone a season. Good teams have to execute and overcome the bounces that don't go their way.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 9, 2005 11:22:14 GMT -5
I think zone is a great choice for this team. I also think one of the major reasons wallace had trouble getting over screens were all the moving ones augustine and other were setting. They called one but they were doing it the entire game.
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Post by tgo on Dec 9, 2005 11:24:15 GMT -5
they didnt call a moving screen on us that opened up the baseline for Green's jam early in the 2nd half so that goes both ways.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2005 11:42:08 GMT -5
I like what we are doing -- a mix with primarily zone. Ernie Kent or someone on oregon mentioned that we were actually changing defenses mid-possession and it confused the heck out of their players.
Part of it is our pace, but will any team keep Illinois under 60 the rest of the year? The defense was phenomenal, and we would've won had we rebounded like we did at Oregon.
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Post by YB on Dec 9, 2005 11:47:56 GMT -5
Illinois has been a horrible offensive team all year. They were down by double digits to UA-LR and Xavier. Don't confuse what we did with good defense. They just miss a lot of shots, but they got every shot they wanted.
We, on the other hand, were lackadaisical and lacked aggression, big time. This is a big issue for us. Being patient does not mean be comatose on O.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2005 12:15:17 GMT -5
Illinois has been a horrible offensive team all year. They were down by double digits to UA-LR and Xavier. Don't confuse what we did with good defense. They just miss a lot of shots, but they got every shot they wanted. We, on the other hand, were lackadaisical and lacked aggression, big time. This is a big issue for us. Being patient does not mean be comatose on O. Ken Pom has Illinois ranked 40th in Raw Offensive Offensive Efficiency (108.9) and 18th in Opponent Adjusted Offensive Efficiency (113.8). They had an Offensive Efficiency under 100 against us, and only their O rebounding had them anywhere near there. They hardly got any shot they wanted. Every shot inside the three point line was contested. Roy blocked six shots and altered countless others. What they got is every rebound they wanted.
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Post by butler on Dec 9, 2005 12:29:31 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more that Zone should be our primary D -- we dont have the quickness to play Man (particularly Bowman v. small forwards and Wallace v. . . . well anybody). And, as Beantown correctly pointed out, our front court length is ideal for zone. I am sold on Hibbert -- even when he is truggling on O, which will happen sometimes, he is now a significant difference maker on D.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 9, 2005 12:41:14 GMT -5
yeah even when they were a "horrible offensive team" they were averaging ithink 72 pts a game. so keeping them 14 pts. under that says something.
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Post by jcshoya82 on Dec 9, 2005 15:07:05 GMT -5
I agree with Buffalo's response to the tip ins last night. It all comes back to one of the major points of the original post being that this team needs to learn how to box out. That was a pathetic display on the boards from a team who has one of the best (and strongest and tallest) front lines in college basketball in my biased opinion.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2005 15:31:19 GMT -5
I agree with Buffalo's response to the tip ins last night. It all comes back to one of the major points of the original post being that this team needs to learn how to box out. That was a pathetic display on the boards from a team who has one of the best (and strongest and tallest) front lines in college basketball in my biased opinion. That comment is absolutely on the mark. Stop their offensive boards, and it's a totally different game.
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