hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 5, 2004 18:50:35 GMT -5
Bulls re-signed Jamal Crawford and traded him along with Jerome Williams to Knicks for Dikembe, Othella, Frank Williams and a Euro (I assume) named Trybecki (probably got this last name wrong). All four traded Knicks are in the final year of their contracts.
I don't see where this clears up the Knicks' power forward logjam, so I don't know what it means to Sweetney.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 5, 2004 20:26:52 GMT -5
It means Sweetney needs to get off that team.
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Post by dairishhoya on Aug 5, 2004 20:35:58 GMT -5
From ESPN's Frank Hughes. Where do Tim Thomas and Anderson, who combined to make almost $20 million while averaging less than 20 points combined, fit in on a team that has enough scorers/shooters? If Vin Baker is re-signed -- and don't even get me started on the intelligence of that decision -- where does that put the development of Mike Sweetney. Is Allan Houston done, or still a prime-time player? sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hughes_frank&id=1852866 |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 5, 2004 21:22:46 GMT -5
From ESPN's Frank Hughes. Where do Tim Thomas and Anderson, who combined to make almost $20 million while averaging less than 20 points combined, fit in on a team that has enough scorers/shooters? If Vin Baker is re-signed -- and don't even get me started on the intelligence of that decision -- where does that put the development of Mike Sweetney. Is Allan Houston done, or still a prime-time player? sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hughes_frank&id=1852866Great article! Thomas is bringing in a bunch of under achievers and overpaid divas. He is even looking into getting Ed Curry from Chicago, a kid with a lot of talent who WOULD be one of the best centers in the game if he had heart, a work ethic and desire. All they do is ask for Curry to be in shape when the summer training sessions start but once again Curry showed up overweight by twenty pounds. But Isiah thinks that Curry would change for the better if he was around him all the time. Zeke should take a cue from countless women who have learned the hard way you can't change us men!! Anyway...Sweetney would be part of the trade if Thomas goes after Curry and I hope it happens. If not then I wish Sweets has a very good showing the next two seasons and that the Knicks won't be able to afford resigning him once that rookie contract is over. |
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Aug 6, 2004 7:35:14 GMT -5
Have there ever been 3 players from the same college involved in one trade before?
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Post by 1803 on Aug 6, 2004 8:51:53 GMT -5
It looks to me like Thomas is not afraid to try anything.
He inherited a team full of awful contracts, and he unloaded a lot of them, taking back other bad deals. It seems like his line of thinking is that if he keeps taking younger guys, the team might get a little better. I love the Hoyas as much as the next guy, but it is obvious that amongst the players who moved yesterday, Crawford is the one with the most ability. You win these multi player deals by getting the best guy, and Isiah did that. Just remember where this team was when Thomas took over. They had no good players under 30, now they have two in Crawford and Marbury. Neither are particular favorites of mine, but I would take them over a backcourt of Frank Williams and Howard Eisley and day.
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Post by HoyaOnBothSides on Aug 6, 2004 11:46:11 GMT -5
Please. I don't understand where all the knick hatred on this board comes from. Isiah has done an amazing job. The day before the Marbury trade, the knicks rotation looked like this:
K. Thomas 27
K. Van Horn 39
D. Mutombo 42
A. Houston 45
C. Ward 22
A. McDyess 26
M. Norris 26
S. Anderson 12
O. Harrington 1
The team was old and going no where and way over the cap. While they are still way over, with no cap room, Isiah has made the team younger, bigger, and much faster and much DEEPER. Even assuming they don't get Dampier, the knicks will have a pf/c rotation of Nazr Mohammed, Kurt Thomas, and Sweetney and 1-2-3 rotation of Marbury, Houston, Crawford, Penny, and Tim Thomas. All 8 of these players are nba starter material (penny i guess at this point is arguable).
You're crazy if you think this isn't a remarkable turnaround in 6 months given what most "experts" called an impossible situation.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 6, 2004 11:57:36 GMT -5
Please. I don't understand where all the knick hatred on this board comes from. Isiah has done an amazing <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF=" search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A>. The day before the Marbury trade, the knicks rotation looked like this: K. Thomas 27 K. Van Horn 39 D. Mutombo 42 A. Houston 45 C. Ward 22 A. McDyess 26 M. Norris 26 S. Anderson 12 O. Harrington 1 The team was old and going no where and way over the cap. While they are still way over, with no cap room, Isiah has made the team younger, bigger, and much faster and much DEEPER. Even assuming they don't get Dampier, the knicks will have a pf/c rotation of Nazr Mohammed, Kurt Thomas, and Sweetney and 1-2-3 rotation of Marbury, Houston, Crawford, Penny, and Tim Thomas. All 8 of these players are nba starter material (penny i guess at this point is arguable). You're crazy if you think this isn't a remarkable turnaround in 6 months given what most "experts" called an impossible situation. You sound like a typical Knick fan -- looking extremely short term. Isiah was in a position where in three or four years, all his bad contracts would have been gone. With the Knicks' cash, he could begin to buy good players at that point. And in the meantime, his team would be a low playoff team with no hope of improving. Instead, he's increased the talent on his team, but he's done so by lengthening some contracts and acquiring talent that doesn't win. Tim Thomas, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury -- these players don't play defense at all. Heck, where do they play? Thomas as PF? s Houston coming off the bench (he should be, but $20M says unlikely). So he's got a team with talent, and certainly more entertaining, but is still a playoff team with no real chance at a title. Isiah used to have almost no money committed in 2007-2008; now he has $34M tied up in four players, none of whom are all that good. He's delayed any chance the Knicks have at real contention for at least two years. |
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Post by FreeNachos on Aug 6, 2004 14:12:55 GMT -5
Dear Knick Fans, Enjoy Crawford's 39% from the field and 34% from beyond the ark. He and Eddie Curry are reasons 1 and 2 in my book why the NBA needs an age limit. We (the Bulls) will take the horrible mix of contracts expiring this year and laugh our way to $18M in cap room next year. Have faith in Isaih? Ask the owners of the CBA.... Da Bulls sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hughes_frank&id=1852866 |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 6, 2004 18:08:53 GMT -5
Dear Knick Fans, Enjoy Crawford's 39% from the field and 34% from beyond the ark. He and Eddie Curry are reasons 1 and 2 in my book why the NBA needs an age limit. We (the Bulls) will take the horrible mix of contracts expiring this year and laugh our way to $18M in cap room next year. Have faith in Isaih? Ask the owners of the CBA.... Post. Of. The. Year. Add on to the fact that Knicks fans have this blind faith in Marbury who has never proven anything. Go figure. |
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Post by hoopsmccan on Aug 8, 2004 9:21:42 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you are in NY or are actually friends with more than one knick fan. Being in NY, a Knick fan and, believe it or not, having a friend or two, I'll tell you that many (if not the majority) of Knicks fans don't 1) just think short term, 2) have faith in Marbury doing any more than he did last year (ie, get them to the playoffs) and 3) love all Thomas's moves.
Most of the fans I know were willing to bite the bullet for a few years and try to get the whole cap mess under some control. The problem is, they were willing to be patient, but probably weren't willing to shell out $100 for a mediocre seat to watch an awful team. To defend Thomas a bit, he had two choices - be patient and get fired before he had a chance to play with any freed up money and turn things around or put a more entertaining product on the floor and hope for the best. He picked the latter, which you can't really blame him for.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 9, 2004 10:48:54 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you are in NY or are actually friends with more than one knick fan. Being in NY, a Knick fan and, believe it or not, having a friend or two, I'll tell you that many (if not the majority) of Knicks fans don't 1) just think short term, 2) have faith in Marbury doing any more than he did last year (ie, get them to the playoffs) and 3) love all Thomas's moves. Most of the fans I know were willing to bite the bullet for a few years and try to get the whole cap mess under some control. The problem is, they were willing to be patient, but probably weren't willing to shell out $100 for a mediocre seat to watch an awful team. To defend Thomas a bit, he had two choices - be patient and get fired before he had a chance to play with any freed up money and turn things around or put a more entertaining product on the floor and hope for the best. He picked the latter, which you can't really blame him for. Hoops, you're right that the real problem is your ownership, and Isiah may have no other choice. That said, Isiah's moves have been mediocre at best, his general strategy awful, and he's shown no signs of being good at anything in basketball except playing it. Put that in contrast to his former backcourt mate, who cobbled together a very good team cheaply that gave him the flexibility to acquire Rasheed, and then also gave him the flexibility to maintain 9/10ths of that team, and well, Isiah isn't a good long term solution, either. |
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