hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 18, 2024 12:15:26 GMT -5
Right that is a collective mess of seasons by 2 teams, by the way did Creighton losing by 15+ points TWICE to middling-lower Mountain West teams do anything to hurt the BE? The MW has 4 of its 11 teams 150+ in NET, 3 are 230+. Thoughts? Sure, it could be looked at that way but they couldn't have been too middling since Creight was undefeated in quad 3 & 4 games. Middling as in within their conference as UNLV finished 7th with 3 Q4 losses and got in the NIT and Colorado St finished 4th. Credit to them for smacking Creighton early in the season but that very clearly had an effect considering the 6 MW teams that got in and how well Creighton did in the rest of the season it helped their conference since 2 non champions beat them by 15+ points. Understandably there is frustration about the results for the BE but some of the bubble teams shot themselves in the foot multiple times. Seton hall could've done much better in out of conference against P6 teams with 1 win out of 5 games and that win was against mizzou. But yeah the logic of the committee seems patchy and not a set pattern of analysis of any kind with cherry picking moments since I'll again bring up that the MW has 4 of its 11 teams 150+ in NET, 3 are 230+. While the BE is undoubtedly a good league, it was a bad OOC year for multiple teams that hurt themselves.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 18, 2024 15:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2024 16:19:14 GMT -5
Has UVA hardwood legend Val Ackerman spoken up on the Big East screw job yet or is she remaining suspiciously silent?
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Mar 18, 2024 17:26:36 GMT -5
Not disagreeing even but why would NCAA do favors for the coach w the second most vacated wins. The only guy who got caught cheating more then him got an effective life ban - 6 year show cause - and has never coached again. Rick can pretend his past never happened, but expecting the NCAA to love him is a little much, media darling or not. And now he’s opted out of NIT to further snub the organizations that run the game? It’s not about you Rick He did the right move for St. John’s by opting out. If anything, the tournament selections showed how important it will be to have a winning team and how important the portal will be to win. All of focus should be on recruiting. Tell that to Dingle, Alleyne, Jenkins, Soriano, Ledlum and Conway, who go out on a loss instead of a chance to play more games for a title.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 18, 2024 17:35:30 GMT -5
Has UVA hardwood legend Val Ackerman spoken up on the Big East screw job yet or is she remaining suspiciously silent?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 18, 2024 18:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by reformation on Mar 18, 2024 19:37:10 GMT -5
Thats the kind of bland meaningless statement Gtwn would typically make-will have no impact--hard to say what would though
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Post by reformation on Mar 18, 2024 19:38:43 GMT -5
St John's was hot--I think they could have done some damage in the tournament--the coaches speaking out probably have as much impact as the commissioner saying something.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 18, 2024 19:48:55 GMT -5
My daughter has to complete a bracket as part of her college internship. She knows nothing about CBB. I advised her to say she is boycotting the tournament because the Big East was robbed and deserved far more than 3 teams. 🤣
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2024 21:52:32 GMT -5
He did the right move for St. John’s by opting out. If anything, the tournament selections showed how important it will be to have a winning team and how important the portal will be to win. All of focus should be on recruiting. Tell that to Dingle, Alleyne, Jenkins, Soriano, Ledlum and Conway, who go out on a loss instead of a chance to play more games for a title. I bet they were paid handsomely. Season's (or college careers) over. Time to use Mike Repole's money and go after highly-paid recruits... I just hope we don't go after the same transfer portal recruits.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2024 22:01:56 GMT -5
UVA Val stays quiet on why teams like UVA, the Mountain West and mediocre middle of the standings Big 12 teams made the tourney while the three Big East teams snubbed. UVA Val, Let’s just sweep it under the rug and move on.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 19, 2024 9:05:47 GMT -5
Val Ackerman has done a great job generally leading the Big East over the last ten years. I realize people think the statement is soft (and it is), but anything the Big East says isn't going to make much of a difference. We also don't know what she's doing behind the scenes, which may have a way bigger impact than anything said publicly.
The Big East is where it is today, including keeping MSG locked up for the BET through 2032, because of Ackerman. And presumably she will be responsible for whatever next media deal the conference gets. We'll see how that works out, but if it's a good deal, she'll be there to thank for it.
One of the biggest things she did, which has worked out significantly to our benefit, was not pushing expansion for no reason. Back in 2013, a lot of people wanted to add more teams and go to programs like St. Louis. Avoiding that, and then adding Connecticut when the opportunity arose, was very smart.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 19, 2024 9:14:12 GMT -5
Relax Francis! This is ridiculous. People claiming she didn't do enough because of room full of people with no accountability didn't choose our teams but picked her college team. Get out of here. I'm all in that we should have had more teams in but I also know St. Johns ain't winning this tourney. They could have done the most damage though of the bubble teams. I am of the group that thinks putting in a Indiana St. would be much more meaningful then Michigan State, UVA, Boise, Co St., another MWC I'm forgetting, a few more ACC schools, a few more big ten schools, Texas A&M, etc.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 19, 2024 9:48:00 GMT -5
The only thing the Big East Conference administration should (and can only really do) after this screw job is to ensure the conference has adequate representation on the selection committee. Short of that, I don't think there's much to say.
While UConn and Villanova have certainly done the conference proud in the NCAAs the past several years, the performance of the mid-tier conference teams (this from memory) I think has been lackluster.
One important thing the conference teams can do to help our cause is for the mid-tier teams to win games against higher seeds in the tournament. That's probably our best argument for strength of conference and deserving of more bids year to year.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2024 11:44:44 GMT -5
Val Ackerman has done a great job generally leading the Big East over the last ten years. I realize people think the statement is soft (and it is), but anything the Big East says isn't going to make much of a difference. We also don't know what she's doing behind the scenes, which may have a way bigger impact than anything said publicly. The Big East is where it is today, including keeping MSG locked up for the BET through 2032, because of Ackerman. And presumably she will be responsible for whatever next media deal the conference gets. We'll see how that works out, but if it's a good deal, she'll be there to thank for it. One of the biggest things she did, which has worked out significantly to our benefit, was not pushing expansion for no reason. Back in 2013, a lot of people wanted to add more teams and go to programs like St. Louis. Avoiding that, and then adding Connecticut when the opportunity arose, was very smart. She’s being soft. Guess she doesn’t want to take out her alma mater UVA. But it does a disservice to Shaheen, Khadary Richmond and A very good seton hall team, your guy Pitino and St John’s and overrated Kim English and a good Providence team and the Big East in general.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 19, 2024 11:46:21 GMT -5
Anyone interested in a HoyaTalk bracket? I know we've done it in the past.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2024 11:48:53 GMT -5
The only thing the Big East Conference administration should (and can only really do) after this screw job is to ensure the conference has adequate representation on the selection committee. Short of that, I don't think there's much to say. While UConn and Villanova have certainly done the conference proud in the NCAAs the past several years, the performance of the mid-tier conference teams (this from memory) I think has been lackluster. One important thing the conference teams can do to help our cause is for the mid-tier teams to win games against higher seeds in the tournament. That's probably our best argument for strength of conference and deserving of more bids year to year. Each conference gets only one rep on the selection committee. Our rep is Barry Collier AD from Butler. But he has to be out of the room when the Big East teams are discussed. Apparently the ACC ADs did a lot of lobbying to get UVA in. Val is staying silent on all this and hoping it will go away.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 19, 2024 11:49:57 GMT -5
We don't know what she is saying that is not in the public domain which is probably the more effective way to communicate.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2024 12:02:51 GMT -5
We don't know what she is saying that is not in the public domain which is probably the more effective way to communicate. This is actually the problem with the NCAA selection committee. They are not transparent. As Danny Hurley publicly states they are playing a shell game. I’m proud of the Big East coaches who have publicly come out against this NCAA farce:
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2024 12:15:37 GMT -5
One does have to wonder how fair the selection process is. Is there alot of horse trading that is going on. Seems like it with McClellands weird rationalization for denying the Big East teams.
Dr Charles Mclleland, selection committee chair went to Texas A&M.
Bubba Cunningham, vice chair UNC AD
Mark Coyle Minnesota AD (former AD at Boise S and Syracuse, FSU alum)
Keith still, Sun Belt, Duke alum.
Arthur Johnson Temple AD. 1999 UNC Admin Assistant
Texas A&M 9-9 conference record, 7th best team in the SEC gets in. UNC gets a number one seed and the easiest bracket somehow. UVA gets in. Boise State gets in off the bubble.
There’s something rotten here
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