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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2024 21:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 17, 2024 21:48:29 GMT -5
Should also point out that FAU had 2 q4 losses and lower on NET than St johns, Virginia was 54 like how is this explained? What is the point of the NET rankings if it is just going to be ignored? There has always been biases in committees whether it's football or basketball but this is wild. Even just look at the balancing of the regions, it is totally imbalanced. Is this some manufactured outrage to expand the tournament especially since no-one cares about the NIT or CBI anymore? Are they gonna make it 96 or 128 teams?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2024 22:01:36 GMT -5
The Big East could make a solid point by getting all three teams in the Final Four. Could happen. The argument that Depaul and Georgetown dragged down the other BE teams is ludicrous if we had been a bit better and split with both St. Js and Prov., they wouldn't have gotten in either. So What's the difference? Gtown & DePaul's terrible metrics NET wise were solidified by their OOC season performance not as much by what they did in conference. That's the difference |
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 17, 2024 22:16:40 GMT -5
The Big East could make a solid point by getting all three teams in the Final Four. Could happen. The argument that Depaul and Georgetown dragged down the other BE teams is ludicrous if we had been a bit better and split with both St. Js and Prov., they wouldn't have gotten in either. So What's the difference? Gtown & DePaul's terrible metrics NET wise were solidified by their OOC season performance not as much by what they did in conference. That's the difference Right that is a collective mess of seasons by 2 teams, by the way did Creighton losing by 15+ points TWICE to middling-lower Mountain West teams do anything to hurt the BE? The MW has 4 of its 11 teams 150+ in NET, 3 are 230+. Thoughts? |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2024 22:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 17, 2024 22:27:30 GMT -5
Gtown & DePaul's terrible metrics NET wise were solidified by their OOC season performance not as much by what they did in conference. That's the difference Right that is a collective mess of seasons by 2 teams, by the way did Creighton losing by 15+ points TWICE to middling-lower Mountain West teams do anything to hurt the BE? The MW has 4 of its 11 teams 150+ in NET, 3 are 230+. Thoughts? Sure, it could be looked at that way but they couldn't have been too middling since Creight was undefeated in quad 3 & 4 games. |
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Post by seaweed on Mar 18, 2024 0:54:07 GMT -5
St Johns got screwed. NCAA not doing Ricky any favors. Not even on the first four out line is asinine. They are better than Virginia on nearly every level. Better than TCU, Colorado St, Michigan St, Boise St and probably Colorado. Not disagreeing even but why would NCAA do favors for the coach w the second most vacated wins. The only guy who got caught cheating more then him got an effective life ban - 6 year show cause - and has never coached again. Rick can pretend his past never happened, but expecting the NCAA to love him is a little much, media darling or not. And now he’s opted out of NIT to further snub the organizations that run the game? It’s not about you Rick |
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 18, 2024 4:40:50 GMT -5
The conference definitely got screwed here. The irony is that if we had beaten Providence, Seton Hall or St. John's, then that loss would have been blamed for their omission, but none of them got in anyway.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 18, 2024 7:49:44 GMT -5
St Johns got screwed. NCAA not doing Ricky any favors. Not even on the first four out line is asinine. They are better than Virginia on nearly every level. Better than TCU, Colorado St, Michigan St, Boise St and probably Colorado. Not disagreeing even but why would NCAA do favors for the coach w the second most vacated wins. The only guy who got caught cheating more then him got an effective life ban - 6 year show cause - and has never coached again. Rick can pretend his past never happened, but expecting the NCAA to love him is a little much, media darling or not. And now he’s opted out of NIT to further snub the organizations that run the game? It’s not about you Rick He did the right move for St. John’s by opting out. If anything, the tournament selections showed how important it will be to have a winning team and how important the portal will be to win. All of focus should be on recruiting. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2024 8:49:05 GMT -5
Players will not delay entering the portal just to play in the NIT; rumors are that Syracuse opted out because they will lose so many players they would have to give big minutes to walk-ons to play in the NIT.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 18, 2024 8:56:26 GMT -5
My guess, and it is just a guess as trying to figure out the method of the committee is almost impossible, is that the Uconn win carried a ton of weight for Seton Hall. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2024 9:28:02 GMT -5
North Carolina just happens to sneak into the #1 seed in the easiest bracket.
*Barry Collier has to leave the room when the Big East is discussed by the selection committee
NCAA Tournament Selection Committee
The 2023-2024 Selection Committee (the year the term is up is in parenthesis):
CHARLES MCCLELLAND (2024) – SWAC Commissioner (Chairperson)
JAMIE POLLARD (2024) – Iowa State Athletic Director
SCOTT BARNES (2024) – Oregon State Athletic Director
BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Vice-Chairperson)
MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesota Athletic Director
GREG BYRNE (2026) – Alabama Athletic Director
KEITH GILL (2026) – Sun Belt Commissioner
BARRY COLLIER (2026) – Butler Athletic Director
MARTIN NEWTON (2027) – Samford Athletic Director
TOM WISTRCILL (2027) – Big Sky Commissioner
ARTHUR JOHNSON (2028) – Temple Athletic Director
RENEE BAUMGARTNER (2028) – Santa Clara Athletic Director
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 18, 2024 10:02:27 GMT -5
You want to know why the committee overvalued the MWC bubble teams and undervalued the BE bubble teams?
Thank Creighton.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 18, 2024 10:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 18, 2024 10:23:47 GMT -5
Think this is key. There was a lot of talk about ACC admins publicly lobbying for UVA leading up to Selection Sunday. Didn't hear a peep from Val and Co. at all despite them having to know that they had 3 teams all near the cutline. We'll never know exactly how much the lobbying helped, but UVA has to appreciate the effort from its conference leadership today and I'm not sure I can say the same for SJU, SHU, and Prov. I do think Val has an obligation to at least publicly acknowledge some level of disagreement with the decisions that were made yesterday. I won't regurgitate the statistics and rankings that are out there, but it's plentiful and doesn't make it easy to justify the results that we saw on Selection Sunday. Obviously, what's done is done and we can't fix this now, but Val has a responsibility to let it be known that either the selection committee needs to better evaluate teams on the metrics it says it supposedly uses to make decisions, or that they have to let everyone know what the real evaluation criteria is so that the BE, as a conference, can better schedule or improve our performance accordingly going forward. It can't be just acceptance and silence. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2024 11:04:39 GMT -5
Think this is key. There was a lot of talk about ACC admins publicly lobbying for UVA leading up to Selection Sunday. Didn't hear a peep from Val and Co. at all despite them having to know that they had 3 teams all near the cutline. We'll never know exactly how much the lobbying helped, but UVA has to appreciate the effort from its conference leadership today and I'm not sure I can say the same for SJU, SHU, and Prov. I do think Val has an obligation to at least publicly acknowledge some level of disagreement with the decisions that were made yesterday. I won't regurgitate the statistics and rankings that are out there, but it's plentiful and doesn't make it easy to justify the results that we saw on Selection Sunday. Obviously, what's done is done and we can't fix this now, but Val has a responsibility to let it be known that either the selection committee needs to better evaluate teams on the metrics it says it supposedly uses to make decisions, or that they have to let everyone know what the real evaluation criteria is so that the BE, as a conference, can better schedule or improve our performance accordingly going forward. It can't be just acceptance and silence. What does Val’s Jersey say? Shhhhh.  |
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