wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 25, 2024 0:00:04 GMT -5
Mckenna is part of the 2023 class, he was enrolled in schooL Why would someone be classified as a recruit the year after they joined? silly to argue either way, there are three players that stayed; Mckenna, Epps, and FieldeR
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 25, 2024 0:01:33 GMT -5
He may give you 12/10 with elite rim protection. Thats worth a lot Assuming you’re talking about Cliff O. - totally agree. Plus those 12 points will come without having to run any plays for him, which is a huge plus when your backcourt is Mack and Epps. And while he’ll be expensive, you only have to pay him for one year. After all the futility of the last few years including Cooley’s first at Georgetown, Cliff O. is worth the extra price compared to the alternatives. Talking about Cliff nut Awaka is a potential double double guy with good defense but not the block totals
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 25, 2024 5:43:43 GMT -5
His HS grad year would have been 2024. He won’t appear in a game until the 2024-25 season. If Brumbaugh was a freshman as part of Cooley’s 2023 class despite redshirting at Texas, it seems to me that McKenna should be viewed as part of the 2024 class.
Ultimately, I don’t care about this debate, though. I’ve been disappointed by the three (so far) outgoing transfers among the five guys we had penciled in as returners. Not so much from a pure talent perspective, because (assuming we get a commitment from a big soon) we’ve upgraded at all of their positions. But I would have liked some retention/stability for stability’s sake. I know that guys who were starters aren’t going to be keen on moving to bench roles once recruited over, but it’s kind of annoying to think we might end up having to backfill the with new transfers to have enough players to field a whole team.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 25, 2024 7:15:30 GMT -5
Ultimately, I don’t care about this debate, though. I’ve been disappointed by the three (so far) outgoing transfers among the five guys we had penciled in as returners. Not so much from a pure talent perspective, because (assuming we get a commitment from a big soon) we’ve upgraded at all of their positions. But I would have liked some retention/stability for stability’s sake. I know that guys who were starters aren’t going to be keen on moving to bench roles once recruited over, but it’s kind of annoying to think we might end up having to backfill the with new transfers to have enough players to field a whole team. This is my overall posture. Love getting better (at least on paper) but dying for some consistency, so we don’t have a whole team starting from scratch each year. I’m looking forward to seeing improvements from Epps and Fielder to next year, from having a full 7-month offseason to work with the coaching and S&C staff. Fielder looks like he’s already added about 5 lbs of muscle just since the season, and I’m sure the strength and agility improvements from a full strength and conditioning offseason will pay off. (Especially since, if he’s not limited like he was physically last summer with the knees, he’ll be able to do much more skill work at the same time).
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Post by prhoya on Apr 25, 2024 7:19:20 GMT -5
Mckenna is part of the 2023 class, he was enrolled in schooL Why would someone be classified as a recruit the year after they joined? silly to argue either way, there are three players that stayed; Mckenna, Epps, and FieldeR See CTHoya’s response. Well said, CT. Hopefully we have at least 11 scholarship players when practices start.
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Post by guru on Apr 25, 2024 7:33:54 GMT -5
Ultimately, I don’t care about this debate, though. I’ve been disappointed by the three (so far) outgoing transfers among the five guys we had penciled in as returners. Not so much from a pure talent perspective, because (assuming we get a commitment from a big soon) we’ve upgraded at all of their positions. But I would have liked some retention/stability for stability’s sake. I know that guys who were starters aren’t going to be keen on moving to bench roles once recruited over, but it’s kind of annoying to think we might end up having to backfill the with new transfers to have enough players to field a whole team. I’m happy we’re upgrading talent too, and hopefully once the winning starts some continuity may follow. But it is funny to think back on the in-season debate about the supposed “core” that the staff was building in year one. Anyway, better to look forward.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 25, 2024 9:04:49 GMT -5
Bottom line is that with Supreme Cook as our center, our defense at the rim was 362nd of 362 teams in Division. That is really bad. Almost anybody will be an improvement over that because you literally cannot get worse than 362nd out of 362. As I've said, I really like him, and I wish it worked out where he could have stayed, but with the reality of college basketball in 2024, that was unrealistic if Cooley went out and recruited over him--which Cooley had to do if he wanted a better team next year.
It's the off season, and so of course, we are going to discuss things like retention, etc. And like I said, in principle, I do want to retain our guys and we really do need to retain this incoming class. But, if next year the team is substantially better because of the incoming freshman and whoever we get in the portal, at this time next year, few people will care about the fact that Brumbaugh and Cook transferred.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 25, 2024 9:15:02 GMT -5
So as of right now (4/25/24, 10:15am) how many players do we have on our roster next year?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 25, 2024 9:19:19 GMT -5
So as of right now (4/25/24, 10:15am) how many players do we have on our roster next year? Definitely: Jayden Epps Drew Fielder Malik Mack Drew McKenna Kayvaun Mulready Micah Peavy Thomas Sorber Caleb Williams Curtis Williams Maybe: Ryan Mutombo So that's either 9 or 10 scholarship players. So 3-4 slots still open. Almost certainly one of those will be a big.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 25, 2024 9:24:37 GMT -5
there are 3 guys that would be upgrades over Cook that we have had interest in. 1. Cliff- good defender/size. Wills get a couple dunks, more of a garbage points guy2. Awaka- very good defender but not thr shot blocker that cliff is. wide body, decent shot 3. Onyenso-all defense all fit what we need in different ways. Cliff is certainly a 1 year guy, the others might get multiple. Awaka is intriguing if you keep out of foul trouble. And this skill set gets you $1.5mil in NIL. In the words of the great Clay Davis, sheeeeiiit Watch the highlights. Mack and Omoryuri could cause a lot of damage in the PNR. $1.5M is a lot of money but it could be the price you have to pay to get the top defensive center to come to your really bad team. With Cliff, I think this group goes to the tournament. I also like Awaka - much worse rim protection but surprising similar DPBR to Omoryuri. I don’t worry about his fouls because that creates minutes for Sorber and Fielder. Onyenso would work though he seems to be a defense only guy….but that is what we need. If we land one of these 3, we should be very happy.
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 25, 2024 9:26:31 GMT -5
The question is: did Supreme portal because he ( rightly ) thought he might be recruited over ( not to mention the arrival of golden boy Sorber ) or did he KNOW he was being recruited over. I guess we stay tuned.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 25, 2024 9:50:34 GMT -5
So as of right now (4/25/24, 10:15am) how many players do we have on our roster next year? Definitely: Jayden Epps Drew Fielder Malik Mack Drew McKenna Kayvaun Mulready Micah Peavy Thomas Sorber Caleb Williams Curtis Williams Maybe: Ryan Mutombo So that's either 9 or 10 scholarship players. So 3-4 slots still open. Almost certainly one of those will be a big. Color me optimistic, but I am holding out for Brumbaugh to announce that he is staying. As far as I know he is not committed elsewhere, there is $ anvailable and the roster still has minutes for his short, medium and long term. Re-recruit him Coach! The fans have spoken and of all the departures, he’s the one we want to keep most.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 25, 2024 9:59:30 GMT -5
I don't see why Rowan would come back and he's part of the reason why our defense was so bad last year. If he returns, he's sitting behind Mack (and Maybe Epps, if he ever slides over the point) and would be waiting around hoping for Mack to transfer out. Rowan can probably go to an A10 school and start maybe in 2 years, possibly next year.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 25, 2024 10:07:09 GMT -5
His HS grad year would have been 2024. He won’t appear in a game until the 2024-25 season. If Brumbaugh was a freshman as part of Cooley’s 2023 class despite redshirting at Texas, it seems to me that McKenna should be viewed as part of the 2024 class. Ultimately, I don’t care about this debate, though. I’ve been disappointed by the three (so far) outgoing transfers among the five guys we had penciled in as returners. Not so much from a pure talent perspective, because (assuming we get a commitment from a big soon) we’ve upgraded at all of their positions. But I would have liked some retention/stability for stability’s sake. I know that guys who were starters aren’t going to be keen on moving to bench roles once recruited over, but it’s kind of annoying to think we might end up having to backfill the with new transfers to have enough players to field a whole team. Rowan was a freshman but is a class of 2022 recruit. If you look at the recruiting sites, McKenna is correctly pegged as a 2023 recruit bc he reclassified and enrolled in school. 2023 Freshman- Fielder, McKenna 2024 Freshman- Sorber, Mulready, Williams The Field of 68 talked about this the other night. You gotta try to keep 5-7 players as core players and expect to have to build the rest of the roster from there. To me, those 5 recruited freshman are the core and Cooley is trying to add players on top of that. Some will be 1 year, some will be 2-3 years. Cook probably does not want to sit on the bench in his senior year. He will probably have options as a bench big at a P5 or transfer down and start. Rowan was recruited over and after sitting a full year at Texas probably wants to game time. Styles is the one that I wished stayed as he could play a role on the team, even if coming off the bench. But, it sure seems like it was a better NIL offer from NC State.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 25, 2024 10:17:15 GMT -5
The question is: did Supreme portal because he ( rightly ) thought he might be recruited over ( not to mention the arrival of golden boy Sorber ) or did he KNOW he was being recruited over. I guess we stay tuned. Someday we will know the whole story. Maybe we gave him a little something to wait until we had someone in our sights.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 25, 2024 10:18:25 GMT -5
Definitely: Jayden Epps Drew Fielder Malik Mack Drew McKenna Kayvaun Mulready Micah Peavy Thomas Sorber Caleb Williams Curtis Williams Maybe: Ryan Mutombo So that's either 9 or 10 scholarship players. So 3-4 slots still open. Almost certainly one of those will be a big. Color me optimistic, but I am holding out for Brumbaugh to announce that he is staying. As far as I know he is not committed elsewhere, there is $ anvailable and the roster still has minutes for his short, medium and long term. Re-recruit him Coach! The fans have spoken and of all the departures, he’s the one we want to keep most. I am hearing virtually no chance Brumbaugh stays.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 25, 2024 10:31:25 GMT -5
Color me optimistic, but I am holding out for Brumbaugh to announce that he is staying. As far as I know he is not committed elsewhere, there is $ anvailable and the roster still has minutes for his short, medium and long term. Re-recruit him Coach! The fans have spoken and of all the departures, he’s the one we want to keep most. I am hearing virtually no chance Brumbaugh stays.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 25, 2024 10:37:52 GMT -5
The question is: did Supreme portal because he ( rightly ) thought he might be recruited over ( not to mention the arrival of golden boy Sorber ) or did he KNOW he was being recruited over. I guess we stay tuned. Cliff O. just spent the weekend at Georgetown including Saturday night hanging out at Kenny Johnson's condo. I think it was pretty clear to Cook that he was being recruited over (even if Cliff O. doesn't commit).
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 25, 2024 10:39:39 GMT -5
His HS grad year would have been 2024. He won’t appear in a game until the 2024-25 season. If Brumbaugh was a freshman as part of Cooley’s 2023 class despite redshirting at Texas, it seems to me that McKenna should be viewed as part of the 2024 class. Ultimately, I don’t care about this debate, though. I’ve been disappointed by the three (so far) outgoing transfers among the five guys we had penciled in as returners. Not so much from a pure talent perspective, because (assuming we get a commitment from a big soon) we’ve upgraded at all of their positions. But I would have liked some retention/stability for stability’s sake. I know that guys who were starters aren’t going to be keen on moving to bench roles once recruited over, but it’s kind of annoying to think we might end up having to backfill the with new transfers to have enough players to field a whole team. Rowan was a freshman but is a class of 2022 recruit. If you look at the recruiting sites, McKenna is correctly pegged as a 2023 recruit bc he reclassified and enrolled in school. 2023 Freshman- Fielder, McKenna 2024 Freshman- Sorber, Mulready, Williams The Field of 68 talked about this the other night. You gotta try to keep 5-7 players as core players and expect to have to build the rest of the roster from there. To me, those 5 recruited freshman are the core and Cooley is trying to add players on top of that. Some will be 1 year, some will be 2-3 years. Cook probably does not want to sit on the bench in his senior year. He will probably have options as a bench big at a P5 or transfer down and start. Rowan was recruited over and after sitting a full year at Texas probably wants to game time. Styles is the one that I wished stayed as he could play a role on the team, even if coming off the bench. But, it sure seems like it was a better NIL offer from NC State. Like I said, I think the whole debate is somewhat academic, but did McKenna really reclassify? He enrolled early but evidently wasn't immediately eligible. He will suit up for the first time, in November 2024, as a "freshman," in the same class as the other three. At any rate, I'm in agreement that I hope these five guys become a core that we can build around.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 25, 2024 11:07:33 GMT -5
Mckenna is part of the 2023 class, he was enrolled in schooL Why would someone be classified as a recruit the year after they joined? silly to argue either way, there are three players that stayed; Mckenna, Epps, and FieldeR It's irrelevant what class he's in. The relevant part here is that he could have transferred and did not. I truly enjoy posters who complained all year about players that were recruited then getting very mad they are transferring.
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