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Post by hoyariv71 on Mar 15, 2024 6:45:36 GMT -5
I am proud of the way these kids caught. They tried a lot of difference lineups, defenses offenses ect and seemed to be positive in a very trying moment. I think we have to think about what Pitino said, he was in a hurry to put a team together, in some cases, he had to just put a team on the floor. I think did about as good as he could, but let’s look at the true players experience
Epps a sophomore with only 11 college starts
Rowan a redshirt freshman no college experience
Styles junior no college playing time to speak off
Fielder true freshman no college experience
Cook senior mid major competition
Mutombo junior no college playing time to speak off
Bristol senior playing time but has reached ceiling of talent- bench player
Heath 5th year player good player but probably at best a 6th man talent.
I’m not making excuses for Cooley or players but we have to admit what we were asking these kids to do. I truely believe EPPS, Rowan Styles and Fielder have growth, plus the freshman, we have a really good base, I think though we must get at least 2 tranfer studs to be a true contender next year for tournament.
Time will tell, GO HOYAS
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 15, 2024 8:02:25 GMT -5
Need to retain players to grow and develop as a team.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 15, 2024 18:07:18 GMT -5
I agree with this in theory, but the defense has to be way, way, way better than what we saw this year. I'm just not sure if the holdovers from this year have it in them. Maybe if we add two or three defensive studs we can be competitive.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 15, 2024 21:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 16, 2024 10:03:32 GMT -5
After spending the last three days at the Big East Tournament, it's apparent that the Hoyas are a long, long way away from being competitive as early as next season. Connecticut, St. John's and Marquette are all at a present level of play to which we should aspire, but not expect, in the next year.
This program plummeted under our former head coach, and it is going to take Ed Cooley longer than we (and he, probably as well) thought one year ago when he was hired. We need to show great improvement next season; that does not necessarily equate to being fully competitive in the 2024-2025 season. Maybe learning how to win some of those tight games down the stretch and hitting foul shots is the best we can hope to see next season.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 16, 2024 10:14:30 GMT -5
Defense wins games - we had virtually no consistent defense this season. Priority #1 in my book.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 16, 2024 11:15:01 GMT -5
After spending the last three days at the Big East Tournament, it's apparent that the Hoyas are a long, long way away from being competitive as early as next season. Connecticut, St. John's and Marquette are all at a present level of play to which we should aspire, but not expect, in the next year. This program plummeted under our former head coach, and it is going to take Ed Cooley longer than we (and he, probably as well) thought one year ago when he was hired. We need to show great improvement next season; that does not necessarily equate to being fully competitive in the 2024-2025 season. Maybe learning how to win some of those tight games down the stretch and hitting foul shots is the best we can hope to see next season. My feelings exactly. This league is a monster and is only getting stronger. Cooley is going to have to go big the next few years or go home. By going big I mean recruiting several legit 4/5 star freshmen and landing (stealing?) a few real difference makers in the transfer portal. I'm afraid even a "small" improvement the next few years won't be enough to compete in this league. I've noted before on this Board that in the UCONN and Marquette blowouts those teams subs actually outplayed or stayed with our starters in the last 4-5 minutes of the games. These teams are constantly reloading and if you think Pitino won't have a powerhouse next year or DePaul will continue to be a patsy you're dreaming. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 16, 2024 11:33:21 GMT -5
After spending the last three days at the Big East Tournament, it's apparent that the Hoyas are a long, long way away from being competitive as early as next season. Connecticut, St. John's and Marquette are all at a present level of play to which we should aspire, but not expect, in the next year. This program plummeted under our former head coach, and it is going to take Ed Cooley longer than we (and he, probably as well) thought one year ago when he was hired. We need to show great improvement next season; that does not necessarily equate to being fully competitive in the 2024-2025 season. Maybe learning how to win some of those tight games down the stretch and hitting foul shots is the best we can hope to see next season. Why not expect it? St. John’s did it in one year. It can be done that quickly. At the beginning of the season, Cooley said something like “get me to the 4-min mark within striking range and I will win it.” He should know how to win close games. Why not believe him? Well, he lost more than he won the close ones. Once beaten, twice shy. If he’s going to talk the talk, he better walk the walk. |
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 16, 2024 11:50:00 GMT -5
After spending the last three days at the Big East Tournament, it's apparent that the Hoyas are a long, long way away from being competitive as early as next season. Connecticut, St. John's and Marquette are all at a present level of play to which we should aspire, but not expect, in the next year. This program plummeted under our former head coach, and it is going to take Ed Cooley longer than we (and he, probably as well) thought one year ago when he was hired. We need to show great improvement next season; that does not necessarily equate to being fully competitive in the 2024-2025 season. Maybe learning how to win some of those tight games down the stretch and hitting foul shots is the best we can hope to see next season. My feelings exactly. This league is a monster and is only getting stronger. Cooley is going to have to go big the next few years or go home. By going big I mean recruiting several legit 4/5 star freshmen and landing (stealing?) a few real difference makers in the transfer portal. I'm afraid even a "small" improvement the next few years won't be enough to compete in this league. I've noted before on this Board that in the UCONN and Marquette blowouts those teams subs actually outplayed or stayed with our starters in the last 4-5 minutes of the games. These teams are constantly reloading and if you think Pitino won't have a powerhouse next year or DePaul will continue to be a patsy you're dreaming. I don't fully agree, gentlemen. There is going to be a lot of graduation/exhausted eligibility/professional exits in the Big East. The Big East was particularly challenging this year. While the coaches will be a murderers' row, many of the teams in the conference will be attempting to reload. For example, according to Evan Miya's model 13 of the top 20 players in the conference are seniors. Several of the 7 non-seniors are likely to go pro. That is going to weaken a lot of teams. |
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Post by hoyariv71 on Mar 16, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -5
I agree, if we get 2 big portal players I fully expect to be a bubble team next year
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Post by reformation on Mar 16, 2024 21:16:18 GMT -5
We can be an NCAA team if one of the recruits turns out to be a star and we get a couple of impact portal guys. Just assuming who we have will improve will probably not be enough. Cooley needs to show he can adapt to the portal/new landscape. Probably not going to have a core you can mold over 3/4 years that often.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 17, 2024 11:43:57 GMT -5
I know, I know, Motumbo was so bad in practice that Ewing/Cooley felt he was useless. But geez, how could a team with the worst defense in major college bball not find some use for the 7 foot son of Dikembe Motumbo? Especially against smaller, weaker OOC teams? Was beating LeMoyne so important?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 17, 2024 12:31:02 GMT -5
I know, I know, Motumbo was so bad in practice that Ewing/Cooley felt he was useless. But geez, how could a team with the worst defense in major college bball not find some use for the 7 foot son of Dikembe Motumbo? Especially against smaller, weaker OOC teams? Was beating LeMoyne so important? Exactly, and a upperclassman who had played the previous two seasons. Ryan wasn’t a freshman to be stashed at the end of the bench. The defense was ranked in the bottom 10-15% of college basketball. Was Ryan really going to make it even worse? |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 17, 2024 14:55:53 GMT -5
My final thought: Another season without even a whiff of post-season action. I remember how much fun it was when we were in every year and it was only a question of what seed we would get and where we would play. And I remember when we competed for the top recruits in the country. Now I am mostly...numb.
Enjoy the off season. Hope springs eternal.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 17, 2024 19:40:08 GMT -5
After seeing the NCAA selections, we are one more giant step behind getting to our next tournament than I thought we were. I thought the Big East was worthy of far more than 3 teams.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 17, 2024 21:35:36 GMT -5
What killed the BE was two things. One, all those conference tournament upsets. It's estimated it cost the BE at least 2 bids. Two, GU and DePaul. It's tough to get quality wins when you play those two teams four times. Kinda shows how the Hoyas are screwing not only us the fans but the entore conference.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 18, 2024 0:44:53 GMT -5
We should not—and must not—underestimate the level of play in the conference. Our last coach did that and got burned every year. Having poor people and communication skills did not help either! We have to build by over-building! We need to keep our core players together for more than two years. I have said this so many times, but we need some bruiser-type players who are tough grinders. Cook is not far off. Let’s build on what we have! Go get em Cooley!
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