SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2024 15:22:12 GMT -5
He’s never going to be a lockdown guy one on one, and he's doesn't have big size to contest outside shots well, so he's never going to be good, but he's far from our worst. The UVa coach, who has the #3 defense in the NCAA, took Dante Harris precisely for his defense and quickness, and Dante is 6’1” on a good day. It’s not about size at PG in college basketball. I didn't talk only about size, but you do you. Didn't you hate Dante when he was here?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2024 15:23:10 GMT -5
The UVa coach, who has the #3 defense in the NCAA, took Dante Harris precisely for his defense and quickness, and Dante is 6’1” on a good day. It’s not about size at PG in college basketball. I didn't talk only about size, but you do you. Didn't you hate Dante when he was here? Yes, you did: “he doesn’t have big size to contest…” No, wrong poster. I’ve said it before: We could’ve used some Dante.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 26, 2024 15:25:04 GMT -5
Honestly that play was simply a GREAT design by the DePaul coach. DePaul went really small. Terry. Carter. Rainey. Henley. Fisher. 3 guards. 2 small forwards. The Hoyas properly faceguarded with switching (thus no ball pressure on the throw in) their top 3 guard options and made the ball go elsewhere.
Entry to Fisher at the 5 vs Cook. Hoyas 5 man now way out of position (even if he doesn't contest sh*t). Inbounds man is the FIFTH scouted option on floor, a forward that has to drive length of the floor, and hard for others to help off of all the guard shooters.
Should an opposing team ever get a layup/Dunk look in that situation? 1000% no. However DePaul coach had the cajones to give his arguably 5th best option a 1v1 chance the length of the court with 5 seconds left for the win. It worked flawlessly. But that's why he's the 5th option on Depaul.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 26, 2024 15:25:35 GMT -5
He’s never going to be a lockdown guy one on one, and he's doesn't have big size to contest outside shots well, so he's never going to be good, but he's far from our worst. The UVa coach, who has the #3 defense in the NCAA, took Dante Harris precisely for his defense and quickness, and Dante is 6’1” on a good day. It’s not about size at PG in college basketball. Well to be fair that is accurate but he brought him in to be a back-up PG for 15 minutes a night and defend against the other team's backup's for the most part. Also I am not sure they are thrilled with what they have gotten he has been absolutely awful for them offensively. 28% FG - 13% 3pt - 50% FT - I mean that is just beyond bad. He fits a role I guess as a good ACC backup guard defensively...but that's not asking much...
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2024 15:28:46 GMT -5
The UVa coach, who has the #3 defense in the NCAA, took Dante Harris precisely for his defense and quickness, and Dante is 6’1” on a good day. It’s not about size at PG in college basketball. Well to be fair that is accurate but he brought him in to be a back-up PG for 15 minutes a night and defend against the other team's backup's for the most part. Also I am not sure they are thrilled with what they have gotten he has been absolutely awful for them offensively. 28% FG - 13% 3pt - 50% FT - I mean that is just beyond bad. He fits a role I guess as a good ACC backup guard defensively...but that's not asking much... Yes, but wasn’t he injured and missed a lot of games? Don’t remember exactly. I don’t follow our transfers other than what is posted here.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2024 15:31:53 GMT -5
...and if the argument is well he's a Center and Cook has been decent than tell me what happens next season if Cook is still here? Fielder continues to get 10-15 minutes a night for another season? Good luck keeping him around after that. I obviously agree on Fielder v Massoud, so my next comments are not in that context; they are in a broader context. It's rare for any team these days -- college, NBA, heck, even high school -- to actually play an old school PF/C combo. Teams are looking for stretch fives; it's almost assumed you have a stretch four. Fielder has the chance to actually be a pretty awesome offensive college player because he can hit the three, he can put it on the floor and with a little more strength and work I think he could take advantage of smaller guys down low. But we won't be the only team he'll face the center dynamic if he can't guard the perimeter. He should be playing now because Massoud can't guard the perimeter, either, but he's not going to transfer to another power conference team and play a lot of PF unless he improves his perimeter D. Which, I assume he will. Defense is the big gap for most incoming freshmen, and especially for guys like Fielder. That'll improve, and he'll see more time at the 4. Or it won't, and he'd be put into the center bucket at most schools. But I don't think Georgetown is the exception.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2024 15:32:49 GMT -5
I didn't talk only about size, but you do you. Didn't you hate Dante when he was here? Yes, you did: “he doesn’t have big size to contest…” No, wrong poster. I’ve said it before: We could’ve used some Dante. Read much? I didn't talk only about size.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2024 15:37:34 GMT -5
Yes, you did: “he doesn’t have big size to contest…” No, wrong poster. I’ve said it before: We could’ve used some Dante. Read much? I didn't talk only about size. Silly. Own what you write.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2024 15:41:19 GMT -5
Read much? I didn't talk only about size. Silly. Own what you write. So you can't read a basic sentence, then try to pounce on something I didn't say, and I need to "own what I write"? Why don't you put me on ignore until you grow up even a tiny bit? It's like conversing with a 12 year old.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2024 15:46:24 GMT -5
Silly. Own what you write. So you can't read a basic sentence, then try to pounce on something I didn't say, and I need to "own what I write"? Why don't you put me on ignore until you grow up even a tiny bit? It's like conversing with a 12 year old. Don't be silly. It's o.k. to be proven wrong once in a blue moon. I did "like" one of your other posts today. Btw, if you're sensitive about a poster disagreeing with you, then you can put me on "ignore".
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 26, 2024 15:50:31 GMT -5
Dante Harris did sprain his ankle and miss 6 weeks, but aside from a good game here and there has had an abysmal season so far. His offensive efficiency is 75, which is really bad. In conference play (most of which has been after he came back from the injury), he has yet to make a three, and his two point shooting is awful too.
While Harris was better at Georgetown than at Virginia, he was still not a good offensive player. Very inefficient at Georgetown and not a good shooter. His main asset was ball handling, where he was probably better than anybody on the roster (at least as it began in November, I think Brumbaugh's handle has improved over the year).
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 26, 2024 17:22:42 GMT -5
Dante Harris did sprain his ankle and miss 6 weeks, but aside from a good game here and there has had an abysmal season so far. His offensive efficiency is 75, which is really bad. In conference play (most of which has been after he came back from the injury), he has yet to make a three, and his two point shooting is awful too. While Harris was better at Georgetown than at Virginia, he was still not a good offensive player. Very inefficient at Georgetown and not a good shooter. His main asset was ball handling, where he was probably better than anybody on the roster (at least as it began in November, I think Brumbaugh's handle has improved over the year). Another poster said he is 50% from the FT line. He was much better here, no?
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 26, 2024 18:04:54 GMT -5
Dante Harris did sprain his ankle and miss 6 weeks, but aside from a good game here and there has had an abysmal season so far. His offensive efficiency is 75, which is really bad. In conference play (most of which has been after he came back from the injury), he has yet to make a three, and his two point shooting is awful too. While Harris was better at Georgetown than at Virginia, he was still not a good offensive player. Very inefficient at Georgetown and not a good shooter. His main asset was ball handling, where he was probably better than anybody on the roster (at least as it began in November, I think Brumbaugh's handle has improved over the year). Harris has never been a good college player except for a fluke 4-day run at MSG with nobody in the stands. He was recruited at a level higher than he should have been, by Patrick Ewing who was not exactly "Mr. Everywhere" out on the recruiting trail. He played more than he should have at Georgetown, primarily because Jalen Harris abruptly departed early in Dante's freshman year. On his career, Harris is a 35.6% field goal shooter, 25.8% three point shooter, and barely has a 1.5/1 assist-to-turnover ratio. He's also small and easily posted up on the defensive end of the floor, though he can be somewhat pesky on the perimeter on-ball. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dante-harris-1.htmlBennett is going to recruit over him and Dante will probably be on his third college program by next season.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 26, 2024 20:13:42 GMT -5
I also looked at lineup stats. If you limit things to 50 possessions minimum (out of 1800 total this year), we have only 7 lineups meeting those parameters, which makes sense given our small rotation. The best defensive lineup is also the smallest sample (50 possessions): Epps, Heath, Bristol, Styles, Fielder have played 50 possessions (33 minutes) together and have a 99.7 D rating, which is 64th percentile. The next best lineup's D rating is 109.6. And our most frequently used lineup (Epps, Heath, Styles, Massoud, Cook) is horrendous at 128.9 (10th percentile). The worst defensive lineup is Epps, Heath, Brumbaugh, Styles, Cook (122 possessions, 73 minutes) at 131.5 (8th percentile). This is just flat out sad. Also, I first want to add that I really like Brumbaugh, I'm delighted that he is getting more minutes lately and I hope he sticks around. But - I am mystified by those who say he is our best defensive guard. I guess that's damning with faint praise, because it seems to me from watching the games lately that his best defensive feature is watching the back of the guy who has just driven by him and converted a layup. I'm not sure he could stay in front of me, and I'm 73.
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 26, 2024 23:00:07 GMT -5
I also looked at lineup stats. If you limit things to 50 possessions minimum (out of 1800 total this year), we have only 7 lineups meeting those parameters, which makes sense given our small rotation. The best defensive lineup is also the smallest sample (50 possessions): Epps, Heath, Bristol, Styles, Fielder have played 50 possessions (33 minutes) together and have a 99.7 D rating, which is 64th percentile. The next best lineup's D rating is 109.6. And our most frequently used lineup (Epps, Heath, Styles, Massoud, Cook) is horrendous at 128.9 (10th percentile). The worst defensive lineup is Epps, Heath, Brumbaugh, Styles, Cook (122 possessions, 73 minutes) at 131.5 (8th percentile). It strikes me that any lineup with Cook and Massoud, two big guys who cannot play anything remotely resembling adequate help defense in the interior, is going to be sorry defensively.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 27, 2024 18:06:36 GMT -5
Losing to us has to be the nail in the coffin for DP's tourney chances.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2024 18:17:13 GMT -5
Dante Harris did sprain his ankle and miss 6 weeks, but aside from a good game here and there has had an abysmal season so far. His offensive efficiency is 75, which is really bad. In conference play (most of which has been after he came back from the injury), he has yet to make a three, and his two point shooting is awful too. While Harris was better at Georgetown than at Virginia, he was still not a good offensive player. Very inefficient at Georgetown and not a good shooter. His main asset was ball handling, where he was probably better than anybody on the roster (at least as it began in November, I think Brumbaugh's handle has improved over the year). Another poster said he is 50% from the FT line. He was much better here, no? As a freshman, Harris was 89.7% from the FT line (141 attempts). As a sophomore, he was 74.7% from the FT line (in 245 attempts). This year he's 50%, but it's only 16 attempts. So it's a tiny sample size. While guys can lose skills, I find it hard to believe put to the test in the long run that Harris is only a 50% free throw shooter now. If he is, then he must be really hurt or something like that.
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