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Post by jwp91 on Feb 19, 2024 10:18:47 GMT -5
Sounds like Mintz is a lock for the Hoyas. I see pluses and minuses to it. Likely won’t get any other high level ball handlers, but y’all will have plenty of scoring options I need to take a shower. The kid is a great player, but that is where we are...recruiting freaking Orangemen? Or is this the ultimate FU?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2024 10:19:41 GMT -5
You don't need to change the type of player to get better players. The very best players are a little quicker and better shooter than guys a level below. Being the same player and a 5-10% better shooter can make a big winning/losing diff Because I have way too much time on my hands I looked at Cooley's 1st roster at Fairfield turns out he brought in 6-8 245lb Anthony Johnson in his 1st class. Johnson had a good career under Cooley, it seems he likes what he likes... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-johnson-4.html
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Post by dense on Feb 19, 2024 10:38:14 GMT -5
Last year PC had Clifton Moore as a 5th year transfer and also Rafael Castro who fit into that mold of being shot blocking bigs. Clifton Moore definitely a rim runner type.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 19, 2024 10:41:45 GMT -5
From the Syracuse message board: "The elephant in the room is Judah Mintz. He's talented, but he's also the reason that our ceiling is limited. He is who he is. I don't think he really has a winner's mentality. I think he thinks he's better than he is. I didn't think Girard would have worked on this team, playing man, but he went and lost 15 pounds over the summer, and has had a very good year for Clemson, who are looking like an NCAA team. I'm not sure that Judah can really change who he is. I think our chemistry would be better, and our defense would be better, and our ball movement would be better, if he wasn't here next year. But I don't see where he's going. He's kind of been "found out" this last month or so. This has been "his team", but he hasn't really embraced what that means as a player, to be a real leader, and not just play to the cameras." syracusefan.com/threads/red-season-1-now-a-bust.181266/page-4Having watched a fair amount of Syracuse games, Mintz has a lot of the same characteristics of Epps, just in a bigger body. He's a ball-dominant PG who's not a particularly good shooter and who doesn't really make his teammates any better. Now Mintz is a far better defender than Epps, so you'd be upgrading on that side of things, but you'd still have a lot of the same problems we have this year with Epps. I see no scenario in which Mintz and Epps can play together. If Mintz comes in, that means Epps is leaving, which is fine. There are not enough basketballs to go around if those two were in the same lineup, nobody else would ever touch the ball.
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Post by reformation on Feb 19, 2024 10:42:18 GMT -5
It's not like you have a choice of who you want at a school like Fairfield. He should definitely have choices from a bigger pool at Gtwn than Providence. Btw same guy above shooting 70% from the line instead of 50 and maybe a little quicker would have a material impact on the team. His FT% indicates he can't shoot from other than at the rim, which limits effectiveness in many ways.
I am a Cooley supporter, but if he can't get better talent at Gtwn than he got at Providence, he should not be the coach at Gtwn and should not be getting paid $6mm/yr.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Feb 19, 2024 10:43:48 GMT -5
When has Cooley & staff ever had rim runners for bigs? It hasn't been his style, he's lived off of tough, versatile forwards(Henton, Bentil, Diallo, Bullock) and rugged bigs (Batts, Watson, Croswell) in his front-courts. For the back-court & wings, I just want players who know how to play & be effective without the ball in their hands. This team has zero ball movers & players who fit that bill. An interesting stat is that Horchler & Minaya led his best team in minutes during BE games but were 5th & 6th in FGA's on the team a couple of years ago. That's the team to mirror in my view You know that Cooley came to Georgetown in no small part get better players than he could get at Providence, right? Very far from proving that so far, but that was part of the stated rationale. Hard to get the cream of the crop when you are 0 for whatever and DePaul's ugly twin sister in Big East. Who wants to come. Cooley is working uphill and bless him. Tough year. The recruits whether you consider it three or four look good but an assist oriented PG and an additional big is sorely needed. Then add Styles getting in his head he is the "go to" guy, Brumbaugh matures into his off guard future, and Epps is relieved of being Mr. Everything and off we go.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 19, 2024 10:44:12 GMT -5
Last year PC had Clifton Moore as a 5th year transfer and also Rafael Castro who fit into that mold of being shot blocking bigs. Clifton Moore definitely a rim runner type. Castro was/is a long-range prospect that hasn't worked out. He was recruited as an inexpensive guy who might develop within the PC program over 3-4 years at very low cost. So I'm not sure he's a great example of somebody Cooley was counting on in that run/jump role, he was just a flyer that Cooley took bringing him into the program during the NIL era. Moore is an excellent example, though, no question.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2024 10:56:35 GMT -5
Last year PC had Clifton Moore as a 5th year transfer and also Rafael Castro who fit into that mold of being shot blocking bigs. Clifton Moore definitely a rim runner type. How much did either play last year? He also recruited Paschal Chukwu, how good was his time @ PC?
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Post by dense on Feb 19, 2024 11:02:22 GMT -5
Last year PC had Clifton Moore as a 5th year transfer and also Rafael Castro who fit into that mold of being shot blocking bigs. Clifton Moore definitely a rim runner type. How much did either play last year? He also recruited Paschal Chukwu, how good was his time @ PC? Moore played everygame and was Croswells backup averaging 13 mins a game.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 19, 2024 11:16:54 GMT -5
Clifton played sparingly, Castro even less. Chukwu was good for PC, but someone (cough cough Syracuse) got in his ear & he bolted pretty quickly
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 19, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is coming from Trilly Donovan? I think I've seen Mintz on at least one mock draft board ... my experience is limited to the beatdown he led against the Hoyas earlier in the season ... looked like a borderline pro at that point ... wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't try to make the leap after this season ... needs to be a better 3pt shooter but other than that has a lot of measurables for the next level. He tried to go pro last year, got feedback that said he wouldn't get drafted, and came back to Syracuse. His stock hasn't improved this year, so the question is does he try to go pro again after this season or does he just transfer somewhere else?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 19, 2024 11:23:45 GMT -5
How much did either play last year? He also recruited Paschal Chukwu, how good was his time @ PC? Moore played everygame and was Croswells backup averaging 13 mins a game. He played even less in BE games(11mpg) & must have spelled Hopkins too since Croswell played 32mpg in conference last season. Moore's per 40 shot-blocking stats(2.9) were more than double of Croswell's(1.3) but it didn't get him more time. At this point I think it's safe to say that Cooley & staff have not valued shot-blocking rim runners that much. Maybe that will change this year but considering what they have in the front-court for next season I'll be surprised if it does.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 19, 2024 13:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 19, 2024 14:47:15 GMT -5
I've been talked into not wanting either. I liked Dug in high school and thought he would be a good college player. I haven't watched enough Michigan to see if he can be the solution. I just hope we aren't looking at the shiniest object as that seemed to be Ewing's downfall with no idea what pieces fit together.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Feb 19, 2024 16:02:47 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding how we can possibly turn down Dug or Judah. They are both proven veteran high major PGs who have been the best players on high major teams. We have won three conference games in the past three seasons. If we aren't taking these guys, who are we taking, exactly?
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 19, 2024 16:23:58 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding how we can possibly turn down Dug or Judah. They are both proven veteran high major PGs who have been the best players on high major teams. We have won three conference games in the past three seasons. If we aren't taking these guys, who are we taking, exactly? Between Epps and either Judah/Dug, who else will ever see the ball? Unless you’re getting an offensive rebound you’ll likely never have a chance to take a shot
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Feb 19, 2024 16:50:41 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding how we can possibly turn down Dug or Judah. They are both proven veteran high major PGs who have been the best players on high major teams. We have won three conference games in the past three seasons. If we aren't taking these guys, who are we taking, exactly? Between Epps and either Judah/Dug, who else will ever see the ball? Unless you’re getting an offensive rebound you’ll likely never have a chance to take a shot We all agree that the Hoyas need an established veteran PG. Any established veteran PG will be, to some extent, "ball-dominant." If we want to get a top PG who is not ball dominant, I'm sorry, that player does not exist. McDaniel, in particular, does not seem overly ball-dominant for a top PG - his 25.5% usage rate ranks 10th in the Big Ten and is well below Epps. Epps will have to take a less ball-dominant role next season in order for us to succeed. We need to get some talent in here ASAP, and these are legitimate star-level players that are apparently eager to return to their hometown DMV region. McDaniel in particular would be a huge coup in my opinion, but both are easy takes. At some point we need to win some basketball games.
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Post by TC on Feb 19, 2024 17:01:03 GMT -5
Who is the better defender - McDaniel or Mintz? Think people are overly focused on the wrong side.
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Post by thedragon on Feb 19, 2024 17:28:51 GMT -5
These are floor raising type players even if not perfect fits. You take either Dug or Mintz and feel good about it if that's a viable path. I'd probably prefer Mintz. If he has the season he hopes then he goes the draft route after a year. He's 6'4. And he's an above average defender when he wants to be.
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Post by practice on Feb 19, 2024 18:28:16 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time understanding how we can possibly turn down Dug or Judah. They are both proven veteran high major PGs who have been the best players on high major teams. We have won three conference games in the past three seasons. If we aren't taking these guys, who are we taking, exactly? Between Epps and either Judah/Dug, who else will ever see the ball? Unless you’re getting an offensive rebound you’ll likely never have a chance to take a shot Go back to Providence.
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