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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 22, 2024 15:14:23 GMT -5
Wasn't able to post over the weekend, but one thing I'm not seeing being talked about that I think warrants more attention are the two awful perimeter closeouts by Epps and Fielder that resulted in 6 Xavier FTs (they made all 6). Take those two glaring mistakes away and I think that's a result we almost assuredly come away with regardless of our late game defensive collapse and whatever your thoughts may be on the last shot (personally, I didn't have a problem with it).
Bahe is probably one of the worst color guys FS employs (although come to think of it, none of them are really all that great minus Raf), but he said at the time that the fouled 3-point shooters would come back to bite us as a mistake you can't make trying to win on the road. And it did.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 22, 2024 15:25:05 GMT -5
Very few players on Gtown can create their own shot. Epps, Heath and Styles to a lesser extent. That's where the list begins and ends. The staff has gone to running very specific action sets to get the ball in optimal position for different players. It leads to the guards pounding the ball while the play develops off the ball. From an offensive perspective I would say the staff is doing a great job playing to strengths. Offensive Adjusted Efficiency has been really good the last two games. The highest in the country is 127. Last game the Hoyas were 135. Uconn game was 118 (which would be top 20). I believe this is an overrated trait, the system should create the shots, not the individual players. There are times when you need individuals to take over but overall it should be the system in my opinion. I agree on the reason for the ball pounding though 118 in the Ucon game seems very high, they only scored 67pts & didn't shoot it very well outside of Cook
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 22, 2024 15:34:28 GMT -5
I think this is largely a symptom of not really have effective bigs, or bigs that play such that passing makes sense frequently: - Supreme Cook is actually extremely efficient. His O rating is 119.7, which is great, and he's a great offensive rebounder. The reason he is so efficient is because he takes mostly high percentage shots, plus he gets fouled a lot. Point being, if Cook gets the ball in the paint, it's likely in a position where he is going to score, so that's exactly what you want to see. He's shooting twos at 64.5%. That's excellent. Arguably, he could pass out more on some offensive rebounds when he doesn't have a great look, but you generally want him taking shots if he feels he can make them because he makes them at almost a 2/3 clip. - Massoud. Massoud really isn't a big. He's a tall wing, at best. He is absolutely abysmal in the paint/post. He is currently shootint 25% from two point range (10-40). This is horrible. He shoots threes better (33%--still not good), so he should NEVER be shooting twos unless it's a wide open layup. In any event, he rarely, if ever has the ball in the paint, so he's not going to passing out of it much. He's also on the perimeter a lot, he doesn't handle the ball much, and he's not a great passer. So it's hard to see how he could possibly get many assists. - Fielder. Fielder actually has a 10.2% assist rate, which is pretty good for a big, and better than Styles (5.6%) or Bristol (6.9). - Styles and Bristol. They could probably stand to have more assists. I'll concede Cook but the rest should be much better in the assist department especially Styles & Massoud who play a lot of minutes. For those curious, these are how our guys rank in the Big East in Assist Rate (assists divided by the field goals made by the player’s teammates while he is on the court). It's better than assists per game because it is tempo-free). The only criteria is 40% minutes played (71 Big East players meet this critera): 3. Epps (31.5) 9. Brumbaugh (24.0) 20. Heath (17.8) 55. Bristol (6.9) 59. Massoud (6.1) 61. Styles (5.9) 69. Cook (3.0) For reference, the best assist rate belongs to Kolek (38.2), and the worst under this criteria is David Joplin at Marquette (1.9). For what it's worth, we haven't had a big man over Fielder's 10.0 in a long time, though Pickett had 12.0 one season. Yurtseven was at 10.4 in 2019-2020. For anything significantly higher, you need to go back to Jesse Govan who had a 13.6 assist rate in 2017-2018, and 15.4 during JT3's last season. Our last great passing big was Greg Monroe, whose assist rate was over 20 during his sophomore year. Of course, JT3's offense allowed big men to get more touches for assists than most modern offenses do.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 22, 2024 15:35:34 GMT -5
Wasn't able to post over the weekend, but one thing I'm not seeing being talked about that I think warrants more attention are the two awful perimeter closeouts by Epps and Fielder that resulted in 6 Xavier FTs (they made all 6). Take those two glaring mistakes away and I think that's a result we almost assuredly come away with regardless of our late game defensive collapse and whatever your thoughts may be on the last shot (personally, I didn't have a problem with it). Bahe is probably one of the worst color guys FS employs (although come to think of it, none of them are really all that great minus Raf), but he said at the time that the fouled 3-point shooters would come back to bite us as a mistake you can't make trying to win on the road. And it did. True. And we should not be in a position where the referees calling a foul on a three is even possible. Though one of them (I forget which) was a bad call.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 22, 2024 16:09:50 GMT -5
Wasn't able to post over the weekend, but one thing I'm not seeing being talked about that I think warrants more attention are the two awful perimeter closeouts by Epps and Fielder that resulted in 6 Xavier FTs (they made all 6). Take those two glaring mistakes away and I think that's a result we almost assuredly come away with regardless of our late game defensive collapse and whatever your thoughts may be on the last shot (personally, I didn't have a problem with it). Bahe is probably one of the worst color guys FS employs (although come to think of it, none of them are really all that great minus Raf), but he said at the time that the fouled 3-point shooters would come back to bite us as a mistake you can't make trying to win on the road. And it did. Donny Marshall is pretty good and Jim Jackson is OK, but I agree with you on the rest of the FoxSports guys. Dickie Simpkins is atrocious. The one guy that I think is really good is Robbie Hummel but I think he only does Big Ten games.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 22, 2024 17:29:32 GMT -5
If you are that mad about our interior defense you should blame Akok for screwing us over at the last second. Understand the frustration with Akok but it is a new world and he played within the rules. Don’t blame anyone for this situation. Cooley tried to get some bigs and missed. He has already proved to me he can coach. He can promote the program. The kids are trying now—no more questions in my mind about effort. They just are not a complete team. It’s just frustrating, particularly for those of us who are older alums as it gets more difficult to wait for next year. If anything I blame the Administration for taking so long to switch to a proven coach. Now you want to blame the Administration. They gave their greatest player in program history an opportunity to be a head coach at his alma mater and he failed. We now have a proven coach let’s just move on. Enough said!
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jan 22, 2024 17:44:12 GMT -5
Understand the frustration with Akok but it is a new world and he played within the rules. Don’t blame anyone for this situation. Cooley tried to get some bigs and missed. He has already proved to me he can coach. He can promote the program. The kids are trying now—no more questions in my mind about effort. They just are not a complete team. It’s just frustrating, particularly for those of us who are older alums as it gets more difficult to wait for next year. If anything I blame the Administration for taking so long to switch to a proven coach. Now you want to blame the Administration. They gave their greatest player in program history an opportunity to be a head coach at his alma mater and he failed. We now have a proven coach let’s just move on. Enough said! The look backs will stop when we are a Big East powerhouse again. Until then, it is human nature to search for reasons why we have fallen so far.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 22, 2024 18:57:33 GMT -5
Wasn't able to post over the weekend, but one thing I'm not seeing being talked about that I think warrants more attention are the two awful perimeter closeouts by Epps and Fielder that resulted in 6 Xavier FTs (they made all 6). Take those two glaring mistakes away and I think that's a result we almost assuredly come away with regardless of our late game defensive collapse and whatever your thoughts may be on the last shot (personally, I didn't have a problem with it). Bahe is probably one of the worst color guys FS employs (although come to think of it, none of them are really all that great minus Raf), but he said at the time that the fouled 3-point shooters would come back to bite us as a mistake you can't make trying to win on the road. And it did. I agree with this, except that didn't we also benefit from two fouls that were called on three point shots, and didn't we also make all six free throws? So that's a wash.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 23, 2024 9:15:55 GMT -5
"The difference a coach makes | Banners on the Parkway On Georgetown’s last possession, Coach Miller did something he hadn’t all day. With Jayden Epps having the game of his life, Miller ran two long defenders at him to make him give the ball up. It ended up in the hands of Jay Heath, who was a scorching 1-8 in the second half. Georgetown’s second plan, abject panic. didn’t pan out. Xavier won. Maybe that’s unfair on Ed Cooley, who might be a good coach but hasn’t really demonstrated that. Georgetown had indeed run Xavier close in a game they shouldn’t have, but consider that they shot 47.8% behind the arc, missed just one of 21 free throws, and only turned the ball over on 13% of their possessions and still couldn’t get the win. With Jay Heath obviously flagging, Cooley wouldn’t take him out. Heath was exhausted and played all 40 minutes. In one of those things that always happens, the ball found him at the end." www.casualhoya.com/2024/1/22/24044746/links-georgetown-hoyas-show-some-maturation-xavier-host-butler-tuesday-epps-styles-cook-heath-cooley
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 23, 2024 9:59:34 GMT -5
Wasn't able to post over the weekend, but one thing I'm not seeing being talked about that I think warrants more attention are the two awful perimeter closeouts by Epps and Fielder that resulted in 6 Xavier FTs (they made all 6). Take those two glaring mistakes away and I think that's a result we almost assuredly come away with regardless of our late game defensive collapse and whatever your thoughts may be on the last shot (personally, I didn't have a problem with it). Bahe is probably one of the worst color guys FS employs (although come to think of it, none of them are really all that great minus Raf), but he said at the time that the fouled 3-point shooters would come back to bite us as a mistake you can't make trying to win on the road. And it did. I agree with this, except that didn't we also benefit from two fouls that were called on three point shots, and didn't we also make all six free throws? So that's a wash. Agree, but we're not ideally looking for a wash there. We need to be disciplined enough to come out ahead in that exchange. Can't control the mistakes of the other team, just our own.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 23, 2024 12:17:49 GMT -5
I agree with this, except that didn't we also benefit from two fouls that were called on three point shots, and didn't we also make all six free throws? So that's a wash. Agree, but we're not ideally looking for a wash there. We need to be disciplined enough to come out ahead in that exchange. Can't control the mistakes of the other team, just our own. The Fielder call was awful.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 23, 2024 12:21:45 GMT -5
"The difference a coach makes | Banners on the Parkway On Georgetown’s last possession, Coach Miller did something he hadn’t all day. With Jayden Epps having the game of his life, Miller ran two long defenders at him to make him give the ball up. It ended up in the hands of Jay Heath, who was a scorching 1-8 in the second half. Georgetown’s second plan, abject panic. didn’t pan out. Xavier won. Maybe that’s unfair on Ed Cooley, who might be a good coach but hasn’t really demonstrated that. Georgetown had indeed run Xavier close in a game they shouldn’t have, but consider that they shot 47.8% behind the arc, missed just one of 21 free throws, and only turned the ball over on 13% of their possessions and still couldn’t get the win. With Jay Heath obviously flagging, Cooley wouldn’t take him out. Heath was exhausted and played all 40 minutes. In one of those things that always happens, the ball found him at the end." www.casualhoya.com/2024/1/22/24044746/links-georgetown-hoyas-show-some-maturation-xavier-host-butler-tuesday-epps-styles-cook-heath-cooleyWe still ended up getting a contested layup, a put back attempt, and a guy wide open for a 3 that Jay either didn't see or ignored. Agreed was a great move by Miller, but I wouldn't call what transpired abject panic.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 23, 2024 12:55:43 GMT -5
"The difference a coach makes | Banners on the Parkway On Georgetown’s last possession, Coach Miller did something he hadn’t all day. With Jayden Epps having the game of his life, Miller ran two long defenders at him to make him give the ball up. It ended up in the hands of Jay Heath, who was a scorching 1-8 in the second half. Georgetown’s second plan, abject panic. didn’t pan out. Xavier won. Maybe that’s unfair on Ed Cooley, who might be a good coach but hasn’t really demonstrated that. Georgetown had indeed run Xavier close in a game they shouldn’t have, but consider that they shot 47.8% behind the arc, missed just one of 21 free throws, and only turned the ball over on 13% of their possessions and still couldn’t get the win. With Jay Heath obviously flagging, Cooley wouldn’t take him out. Heath was exhausted and played all 40 minutes. In one of those things that always happens, the ball found him at the end." www.casualhoya.com/2024/1/22/24044746/links-georgetown-hoyas-show-some-maturation-xavier-host-butler-tuesday-epps-styles-cook-heath-cooleyWe still ended up getting a contested layup, a put back attempt, and a guy wide open for a 3 that Jay either didn't see or ignored. Agreed was a great move by Miller, but I wouldn't call what transpired abject panic. Yeah, but you're not desperately trying to argue that a guy who has won a National Coach of the Year award "hasn't really demonstrated" that they are a good coach yet because you are butthurt over Rick Pitino.
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