DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2024 20:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by metaphor on Mar 28, 2024 22:56:41 GMT -5
Sometimes things work out. Sometimes they don't. In this case it was the former. Now let's hope Georgetown can put a product on the floor that makes playing at the phone-booth worth the high price of rent. No longer the phone booth! It's a bank lobby! I am a traditionalist. Besides, you could always stick a phone booth inside a bank lobby.
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Post by reformation on Mar 28, 2024 23:15:12 GMT -5
Does anybody know what we pay for rent at the arena
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 29, 2024 0:05:00 GMT -5
Does anybody know what we pay for rent at the arena As to what is actually offered by the facility, if it's anything like most event contracts, it's some combination of the following: 1. A set number of hours of arena time (e.g., 8 hrs. including setup and teardown) 2. A set amount of practice time for both teams prior to gameday, if available 3. Locker rooms and common area rental 4. A/V, lighting, utilities 5. Security and arena staff needed for the event 6. A share of concessions revenue, if offered (in this case, probably not) 7. Use of any arena-owned club or conference room space, if offered 8. Use of any arena-owned parking, if offered 9. Use of any luxury boxes for the event, if offered The amount per night for Capital One Arena isn't publicized. Here's one person's guess based on comparable facilities.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 29, 2024 3:20:06 GMT -5
No longer the phone booth! It's a bank lobby! I am a traditionalist. Besides, you could always stick a phone booth inside a bank lobby. The bank remains open!
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 29, 2024 4:56:43 GMT -5
Boswell gives Uncle Ted a passing mention in a column on owners. Harsh assessment. Washington fans aren’t out of the woods yet. For years I considered Ted Leonsis a harmless “C” of an owner. Unfortunately, Leonsis has devolved into a sports-arena-as-casino, District-dumping “D” who’s working on his “F” résumé. Money-loving double-talking blowhards are so common in sports ownership that D.C.-area fans should probably expect one Leonsis on the scene. At least he’s just distasteful, not despicable. There is also less cheerful news for local sports fans, but at least it’s not disastrous. The Lerners — “C’s,” to be sure — still run the Nationals. You could do better. But Washington almost did a lot worse last year when Leonsis bid more than $2 billion to buy the team. Sometimes you don’t know the bullet missed your head until it hits the wall behind you. Now, Leonsis’s key partner in that Nats acquisition plan, David Rubenstein, is instead buying the Baltimore Orioles from the odoriferous Angeloses. See how all of this is falling into place? It’s not fabulous, but it’s good. The Commanders and O’s may now have average or even beneficial owners. And Leonsis, who’s now mistrusted-to-disdained in Alexandria and D.C. for his team-moving grift, will probably never get his DraftKings mitts on the Nats. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/03/26/peter-angelos-daniel-snyder-orioles-commanders/
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 29, 2024 6:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by coach98 on Mar 29, 2024 7:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 29, 2024 7:50:18 GMT -5
Hoyas aren’t even mentioned. Losing a first rate nba arena would’ve been devastating to Georgetown and Cooley. So not completely accurate.
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 8:19:53 GMT -5
I disagree. We are not mentioned because we are effectively a non-entity 3rd party vendor there. We are not really worth mentioning. Because its NOT OUR PLACE. We are not even big losers here. We are non-players.
Bring them home. Not a penny of that $515 District money will do anything but make our program look even more homeless in an arena whose changes will be completely focused on making it less a college gym fit for our realistic crowds.
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 8:28:16 GMT -5
Hoyas aren’t even mentioned. Losing a first rate nba arena would’ve been devastating to Georgetown and Cooley. So not completely accurate. The fact that we are not even mentioned among the losers tells you everything you need to know. EVERYTHING. You can’t possibly miss the salience of that omission. We are most certainly not in charge of our own ship. Not even close. This DC arena news just gauranteed we back burner that issue for another decade easy. That seems pretty bush league for a national University with a $3b endowment to be floating around at the whims of billionaires looking out for very different interests. I am well aware $3b is not a huge amount of money for a top 25 university. Nor is having a real home for your biggest athletic program an extraordinary extravagance for the Harvards and Stanfords of the world only.
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Post by 401to202hoya on Mar 29, 2024 8:49:08 GMT -5
Hoyas aren’t even mentioned. Losing a first rate nba arena would’ve been devastating to Georgetown and Cooley. So not completely accurate. Hoyas aren't mentioned because Hoyas aren't relevant right now. We were a footnote with the potential move to Potomac Yard, and we are footnote with the agreement to stay. Hopefully that changes in the near future, but it is what it is right now.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 29, 2024 8:52:46 GMT -5
Hoyas aren’t even mentioned. Losing a first rate nba arena would’ve been devastating to Georgetown and Cooley. So not completely accurate. Hoyas aren't mentioned because Hoyas aren't relevant right now. We were a footnote with the potential move to Potomac Yard, and we are footnote with the agreement to stay. Hopefully that changes in the near future, but it is what it is right now. The point is that it does not “summary of the winners and losers from this saga is fairly accurate” Whether Georgetown is relevant is another issue
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 29, 2024 8:53:40 GMT -5
Ted remains delusional. You want a bajillion dollars in public subsidies? Guess what, buddy - you're a politician.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 29, 2024 8:56:02 GMT -5
Hoyas aren’t even mentioned. Losing a first rate nba arena would’ve been devastating to Georgetown and Cooley. So not completely accurate. The fact that we are not even mentioned among the losers tells you everything you need to know. EVERYTHING. You can’t possibly miss the salience of that omission. We are most certainly not in charge of our own ship. Not even close. This DC arena news just gauranteed we back burner that issue for another decade easy. That seems pretty bush league for a national University with a $3b endowment to be floating around at the whims of billionaires looking out for very different interests. I am well aware $3b is not a huge amount of money for a top 25 university. Nor is having a real home for your biggest athletic program an extraordinary extravagance for the Harvards and Stanfords of the world only. I understand your point, but there is absolutely zero indication that anybody at Georgetown would have done anything differently if the Wizards and Capitals went to Potomac Yards. Had that happened, one of two things would have happened: (1) Georgetown would have stayed in DC if the arena stayed open and wasn't demolished, or (2) Georgetown would have gone to Potomac Yards if the old arena was demolished. I fail to see any scenario where Georgetown would have done anything to be "in charge of our own ship." It's already a back burner issue. There is absolutely zero will or desire at Georgetown to spend any money on an alternative to Capital One. I agree having a better venue or an on campus venue that's smaller would be ideal. But I see no realistic scenario where that happens.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 9:10:32 GMT -5
If Ted had abandoned chinatown and we could buy it out so to speak that might have been workable. Now its never going to be our home. And we will contine to operate as tho we are powerless to change it apparently.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 29, 2024 10:32:42 GMT -5
If Ted had abandoned chinatown and we could buy it out so to speak that might have been workable. Now its never going to be our home. And we will contine to operate as tho we are powerless to change it apparently. Do you really think Georgetown would have bought it out or anything like that? I highly doubt that. Georgetown has passed up opportunity after opportunity to do things like that, why would now be any different? Perhaps others are more optimistic about the decision-making at Georgetown, but I am not. I see no realistic scenario where something like that would have happened.
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 10:42:08 GMT -5
You need to re-read my posts if you got optimism out of me on the “Healy Has a Plan” front.
Very bold of you to predict what is definitely not going to happen now that they are not leaving. But it suffices to say if Ted ended up in Virginia in 2 years w both tenants, GU taking over a reduced mci was as likely as any obvious alternative. Certainly as obvious as just tearing it down anyway.
My point is this 11th hour extension for MCI and Ted is NOT good news for us.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 29, 2024 10:46:03 GMT -5
You need to re-read my posts if you got optimism out of me on the “Healy Has a Plan” front. Very bold of you to predict what is definitely not going to happen now that they are not leaving. There are others options Georgetown could pursue, too. It's not just buying land in Chinatown. But I agree with you that buying that property and creating an arena more suited to the Hoyas would have been a great result. I just don't think that was ever realistic. I am not trying to make any predictions whatsoever. In fact, if you read my posts from the past you'll see my position has always been that everyone was making this more complicated than it had to be. The two outcomes were always going to be either staying in DC if the arena continued to operate or going out to Potomac Yards if it did not. The Georgetown that exists (not the one we wish existed) has no reason to pursue other options when they have an easy (albeit maybe expensive) one that is staring them in the face.
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 10:49:56 GMT -5
Chinatown only looks good compared to NoVa. GU is a city school. Rather cancel the program than become a 3rd rate suburb team in a mall. I think you have completely surrendered on bringing them home tho. I’m not yet. At least on this board. No reason to raise the white flag here…is there?
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