New FBS subdivision?

[njhoya78]

It looks like the end of the NCAA as we have known it is fast approaching:

[DanMcQ]

Rick not a fan:

[SDHoya]

Let football break off and do whatever. Just leave the rest of the sports out of it.

[hoyajmw]

I have two main thoughts about this development, which we all knew was inevitable in one form or another.

(1) The FBS football powers really SHOULD be allowed and encouraged to break away completely from the NCAA, to form their own "League(s)". I think there are about 132 schools/teams in that subdivison today, and they could have their own form of "Winter Madness" in which maybe the top 64 schools play-off for a championship -- or perhaps essentially ALL the schools do so in a 128 team play-off if the new League thinks they can keep the lesser teams/players from literally getting killed. The money to be made would be immense (maybe the NCAA negotiates "a taste" in exchange for permitting this?) Those powers that be could organize and govern themselves in whatver manner they choose -- just, as SDHOya notes above, leave the other NCAA schools/teams/sports the F alone. I know there will be complicated issues associated with such a structure, and NCAA basketball will still have elements of pay for play, etc in it that will have to be settled, but as a general matter I think those issues go from intractable to manageable (is "tractable" a word?) if big time football goes its own way..

(2) I used to worry that I would lose all reason to root for such an infamnia of professionalism, then I remembered that most of my sports energy is already directed toward professionals anyway so why worry? There will end up being DIFFERENT reasons to support a team (for a while now, it hasn't been because I might run into a player walking back to his dorm/the shared connection to the Hilltop I felt way back when), so what if it is simply because the name on the front of the uniform is one I am associated with myself and it is REALLY fun to go to games (which the TCU and American games especially reminded me)?

[Massholya]

I’m with Rick in that I can’t see how March Madness still exists in this sort of structure and ,while people may like to watch Alabama and Georgia battle it out in football in every year, I doubt there would be much interest for other sports, even basketball. I don’t see how this would work for non-football sports.

[C86]

One sticking point that I can see is Title IX. All of these new benefits provided to football players are going to have to be replicated to some degree with female athletes. The cost of doing business for the colleges is going to go up dramatically, and for a school like Boston College or Wake Forest, is it really worth it?. And breaking football away from the NCAA I doesn’t solve the problem, since Title IX is the law.

[DFW HOYA]

Dec 6, 2023 19:41:29 GMT -5 C86 said:

And breaking football away from the NCAA I doesn’t solve the problem, since Title IX is the law.

Title IX applies only in education. "Seminole Boosters LLC" is not Florida State University and is not bound by Title IX. Neither is Hoyas Rising, for that matter, or any other collectives that may come and go around the Georgetown orbit.

As long as NIL is run independently from universities, it is not bound by any federal rules regarding proportionality.

[C86]

I believe this goes beyond NIL to include direct compensation from the schools to the athletes

[KenteKrazies]

Sooo… the Big East would be in the top division, right? Would conferences like the A10 and WCC also be there?

[jwp91]

I am not sure if things have changed, but this appears on the other side of where DeGioia said his limit was. Don't expect Georgetown to pursue this.

[3xhoya]

Can somebody explain this proposal to me? Are they proposing that schools can directly pay the student athletes up to a certain amount? Would this eliminate NIL money going to the athlete? NIL money seems to be way above the proposed payment from the school so I am not sure why anyone would consider this as an alternative.

[seaweed]

Dec 7, 2023 19:57:27 GMT -5 3xhoya said:

Can somebody explain this proposal to me? Are they proposing that schools can directly pay the student athletes up to a certain amount? Would this eliminate NIL money going to the athlete? NIL money seems to be way above the proposed payment from the school so I am not sure why anyone would consider this as an alternative.

NIL would be above and beyond, just like sponsor $ is to pros

[104pleasant]

I am uncertain how long the current levels of N$L can be sustained for most colleges.

It is one thing for a big contributor to make a one time large tax deductible donation to construct a capital project but since N$L donation are not tax deductible I don’t know many people who will make large annual donations.

No doubt that there will be some wealthy donors who will make the large non deductible annual N$L donation but I believe that number will decline over time particularly when their school is finishing low or in the middle of their conference year after year.