Who of these three was the most dominant Hoya?

[blueandgray]

I was just thinking of some of the great forwards we have had on our Hoyas and wanted to get the boards thoughts on who had the most dominant year of the following three Hoyas:

Reggie Williams - Senior Year
Jeff Green - Junior Year
Otto Porter - Sophomore Year

Any thoughts?

[TrueHoyaBlue]

Tough to leave out Mike Sweetney from this group.

His junior year he averaged 22.8 points, 10.4boards (4 on the offensive end), 3.2 blocks, 1.5 steals, and just under 2 assists per game. That’s getting after it!

[miracles87]

Reggie, not a close call. Best offensive player, best defensive player. Coach on the floor. Would have been POY nationally if not for the Admiral, and that was some serious bullpuckeys

[hoyaatheart55]

In terms of dominance it’s gotta be

1. Reggie
2. Otto
3. Jeff

[Bigs"R"Us]

Reggie and the Miracles. Williams single-handily led GU to the Elite Eight his senior year. Along the way he took down Danny Manning and Kansas, who would go on to win it all the following season. Reggie really had no support in 1987.

[miracles87]

Nov 15, 2023 23:19:08 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Reggie and the Miracles. Williams single-handily led GU to the Elite Eight his senior year. Along the way he took down Danny Manning and Kansas, who would go on to win it all the following season. Reggie really had no support in 1987.

I mean, yea! I have a vague recollection of Smitty making a 12 footer off the glass one game, and I think Perry might have had a rebound at some point, pretty sure both Frogger and Loops had at least one dunk in there maybe, if even that, but there wasn't much else.

[blueandgray]

Agreed on Reggie. I’d have to put Jeff ahead of Otto though.

[hsaxon]

Nov 17, 2023 14:28:26 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

Agreed on Reggie. I’d have to put Jeff ahead of Otto though.

I think Jeff was a better all-around player than Otto.  Jeff was underutilized on the offensive end by the coaches.

[johnnysnowplow]

I think it’s easy to forget how dominant Otto was his sophomore year on both ends of the floor. Reggie and Jeff both have the benefit of leading their teams on deep NCAA tournament runs. Otto has the ignominy of the FGCU debacle. But he won BE POY, was a unanimous First Team All Conference Selection, First Team All American, and was one of four finalists for the Naismith award. They blew out Syracuse 61-39 in the final game of the season to win the BE regular season title. Take a look at the 2012-13 roster and tell me that team had any business finishing the regular season 24-5 and getting a 2 seed.

Otto gets my vote.

[Ranch Dressing]

Nov 17, 2023 15:35:45 GMT -5 johnnysnowplow said:

I think it’s easy to forget how dominant Otto was his sophomore year on both ends of the floor. Reggie and Jeff both have the benefit of leading their teams on deep NCAA tournament runs. Otto has the ignominy of the FGCU debacle. But he won BE POY, was a unanimous First Team All Conference Selection, First Team All American, and was one of four finalists for the Naismith award. They blew out Syracuse 61-39 in the final game of the season to win the BE regular season title. Take a look at the 2012-13 roster and tell me that team had any business finishing the regular season 24-5 and getting a 2 seed.

Otto gets my vote.

I'd rank them Reggie, Jeff, Otto in that order.

Funny to remember with Otto, but he didn't really start to dominate his sophomore campaign until several games into the season and after Whittington left the squad.

And the FGCU ending has to count, unfortunately (compared to the other guys who won a ring and reached the Final 4).

[whatmaroon]

I wasn't really a fan or seriously watching basketball in 1987, so no thoughts on Reggie. But Otto's 9-game stretch was as good as we'll ever see. He combined All-American defense with National Player of the Year-level offensive efficiency and usage. The last two games (SUcks in the BET and FGCU) were a disappointment, but we shouldn't let that diminish just how good he was for that run (and Jeff didn't go out on the best note against Ohio State either). The Big East was also better in 2013 than it was in 2007.

[hoyarooter]

Nov 17, 2023 17:41:04 GMT -5 whatmaroon said:

I wasn't really a fan or seriously watching basketball in 1987, so no thoughts on Reggie. But Otto's 9-game stretch was as good as we'll ever see. He combined All-American defense with National Player of the Year-level offensive efficiency and usage. The last two games (SUcks in the BET and FGCU) were a disappointment, but we shouldn't let that diminish just how good he was for that run (and Jeff didn't go out on the best note against Ohio State either). The Big East was also better in 2013 than it was in 2007.

Love all of these guys, but a loss in the Final Four isn't exactly equivalent to a loss in the first round to a million seed.

[guru]

Nov 17, 2023 16:30:41 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

Nov 17, 2023 15:35:45 GMT -5 johnnysnowplow said:

I think it’s easy to forget how dominant Otto was his sophomore year on both ends of the floor. Reggie and Jeff both have the benefit of leading their teams on deep NCAA tournament runs. Otto has the ignominy of the FGCU debacle. But he won BE POY, was a unanimous First Team All Conference Selection, First Team All American, and was one of four finalists for the Naismith award. They blew out Syracuse 61-39 in the final game of the season to win the BE regular season title. Take a look at the 2012-13 roster and tell me that team had any business finishing the regular season 24-5 and getting a 2 seed.

Otto gets my vote.

I'd rank them Reggie, Jeff, Otto in that order.

Funny to remember with Otto, but he didn't really start to dominate his sophomore campaign until several games into the season and after Whittington left the squad.

And the FGCU ending has to count, unfortunately (compared to the other guys who won a ring and reached the Final 4).

Love Otto, but he’s waaaaaaaaau behind Reggie and Jeff Green in that ranking. Miles behind. First 2 are iconic Hoyas.

[johnnysnowplow]

Nov 17, 2023 20:06:16 GMT -5 guru said:

Nov 17, 2023 16:30:41 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

I'd rank them Reggie, Jeff, Otto in that order.

Funny to remember with Otto, but he didn't really start to dominate his sophomore campaign until several games into the season and after Whittington left the squad.

And the FGCU ending has to count, unfortunately (compared to the other guys who won a ring and reached the Final 4).

Love Otto, but he’s waaaaaaaaau behind Reggie and Jeff Green in that ranking. Miles behind. First 2 are iconic Hoyas.

The question was who had the most dominant year, not who is a bigger icon.

I graduated in 2007. I went to every game of the BE tourney, the regionals in NJ and the FF in Atlanta that year. I have an autographed Jeff Green Hoyas jersey hanging in my basement. No one is a bigger Jeff Green fan than I am.

But if we’re talking individually dominant seasons, it was Otto. Jeff has Roy, PE Jr, and Summers alongside him in the front court. Otto had Mikael Hopkins, Nate Lubick and Moses Ayegba. Otto carried that team on his back. That roster had absolutely no business accomplishing as much as it did.

[iowa80]

Wher’s Sleepy?

[the_way]

Reggie.

Jeff a distant 2nd.


Otto a distant 3rd.


Reggie's leadership was incredible. That was a team in transition with a lot of young and inexperienced guys that he had to be the coach on the floor in addition to carrying the bulk of the scoring load.

[CTHoya08]

Nov 17, 2023 20:38:06 GMT -5 johnnysnowplow said:

Nov 17, 2023 20:06:16 GMT -5 guru said:

Love Otto, but he’s waaaaaaaaau behind Reggie and Jeff Green in that ranking. Miles behind. First 2 are iconic Hoyas.

The question was who had the most dominant year, not who is a bigger icon.

I graduated in 2007. I went to every game of the BE tourney, the regionals in NJ and the FF in Atlanta that year. I have an autographed Jeff Green Hoyas jersey hanging in my basement. No one is a bigger Jeff Green fan than I am.

But if we’re talking individually dominant seasons, it was Otto. Jeff has Roy, PE Jr, and Summers alongside him in the front court. Otto had Mikael Hopkins, Nate Lubick and Moses Ayegba. Otto carried that team on his back. That roster had absolutely no business accomplishing as much as it did.

This is the correct take on Otto vs. Jeff. Better/greater/more beloved Hoya? Jeff Green all day. More dominant season? Otto Porter.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Reggie had 4 years, Jeff 3 and Otto 2 so may not be apples-to-apples. Otto is in the conversation if you were to ask who had a more dominant sophomore season.

[hoyajmw]

Nov 17, 2023 15:35:45 GMT -5 johnnysnowplow said:

I think it’s easy to forget how dominant Otto was his sophomore year on both ends of the floor. Reggie and Jeff both have the benefit of leading their teams on deep NCAA tournament runs. Otto has the ignominy of the FGCU debacle. But he won BE POY, was a unanimous First Team All Conference Selection, First Team All American, and was one of four finalists for the Naismith award. They blew out Syracuse 61-39 in the final game of the season to win the BE regular season title. Take a look at the 2012-13 roster and tell me that team had any business finishing the regular season 24-5 and getting a 2 seed.

Otto gets my vote.

And don’t forget Otto’s 33 in the Dome to end conference play up there on Feb 22 his sophomore year in what the Wash. Post headlined the next day as “The Upstate Otto Show”!

[hoyajmw]

Nov 16, 2023 2:22:58 GMT -5 miracles87 said:

Nov 15, 2023 23:19:08 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Reggie and the Miracles. Williams single-handily led GU to the Elite Eight his senior year. Along the way he took down Danny Manning and Kansas, who would go on to win it all the following season. Reggie really had no support in 1987.

I mean, yea! I have a vague recollection of Smitty making a 12 footer off the glass one game, and I think Perry might have had a rebound at some point, pretty sure both Frogger and Loops had at least one dunk in there maybe, if even that, but there wasn't much else.

You may be conflating Smitty’s 22 in the second half in the NCAA tourney in’87 (really his coming out party) to drag the Hoyas back from the dead and beat Ohio State and the NEXT year (after Reggie was gone) when he threw in a 30 foot bank shot at the buzzer against LSU in the opening round of the NCAA’s to break a tie and send the Hoyas to the next round. Then again, maybe Charles had a 12 foot banker in the OSU game in ‘87 or another game that year I just don’t remember. Reggie was spectacular in ‘87 make no mistake (threw in a near half court shot at the first half buzzer against SUcks in the BET final that at the time a pal called a real “AMF” shot, with first two initials standing for Adios, Mother….), so don’t AT ALL mean to diminish him, but notwithstanding the “and the Miracles” moniker was playing with some talent (and future Big East POY in Smith). As were Jeff and Otto (Markel Starks an underappreciated/remembered point guard)