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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 6, 2023 21:47:17 GMT -5
Two items on college admissions in the news: 1. Common Application Offers Guaranteed Admission Before Applications Are Even Received"More than 200,000 students who have started filling out college applications this fall are about to get good news. “Congratulations!” the email will say. They’re in.
The email, to be sent Tuesday by the online portal called the Common Application, will convey offers of admission from 70 colleges and universities based on states where the students live and the grade-point averages they report...What’s more is that those offers will go to prospective students even if they haven’t completed their applications.
"We’ve pretty much declared that excellence is not going to be defined by a low acceptance rate,” said Michael Rao, president of VCU. “That whole elitist mind-set is something that doesn’t sit very well for a public university.” VCU, in Richmond, has about 28,000 students. Its freshman admission rate is about 90 percent."www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/06/common-app-direct-admissions-colleges/2. Xavier University Offers Direct Admission From A Local High SchoolXU will offer every grad from St. Xavier HS in Cincinnati guaranteed admission and a limited merit scholarship as long as they graduate from high school. Xavier (the University, that is) has an 82 percent admit rate but only a 9 percent yield. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 6, 2023 22:11:33 GMT -5
Schools with 90% acceptance rates and under 10% yield are not competitive. They are just happy to fill seats. Many of those students would be better off going to a trade school/program.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 7, 2023 6:43:01 GMT -5
I went to Fairfield Prep, which is on the campus of Fairfield University (although the Prep opened a few years before the university, so maybe they’re on our campus?). I remember a handful of classmates who I never once heard mention having applied to Fairfield U nonetheless going there. I always wondered whether our guidance office had a direct line to the university admissions office for some last-minute “applications” for kids who struck out at BC, Holy Cross, and Fordham and weren’t satisfied with the choice of UConn or Loyola Maryland, or whatever.
In a sense I get where Xavier is coming from—you’d hope that anyone who graduates from “your” prep school is qualified for admission at your university. Obviously it wouldn’t really work at a place with extremely low/competitive admission rates, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this arrangement has long existed tacitly at schools like Xavier, St. Joseph, etc. where the affiliated prep school is “better”/more competitive than the university.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 7, 2023 11:23:39 GMT -5
Schools with 90% acceptance rates and under 10% yield are not competitive. They are just happy to fill seats. Many of those students would be better off going to a trade school/program. Just because a school does not have selective admissions does not mean it has no/low standards in its delivery of education. There are lots of highly capable graduates coming out of VCU every year who are not going into 'trade school' professions. |
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Nov 7, 2023 13:09:57 GMT -5
Schools with 90% acceptance rates and under 10% yield are not competitive. They are just happy to fill seats. Many of those students would be better off going to a trade school/program. Just because a school does not have selective admissions does not mean it has no/low standards in its delivery of education. There are lots of highly capable graduates coming out of VCU every year who are not going into 'trade school' professions. VCU has a medical school with affiliated health care programs where grads can make high incomes. Medicine through the influence of the AMA in the market for doctors, is the highest paying trade in America. The AMA makes the UAW look like amatures in dominating a labor market, |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 7, 2023 13:14:57 GMT -5
Just asking if it’s worth spending $200K plus all-in for four years at Xavier or VCU. Perhaps, if you work hard and aim for certain professions. It’s a lot of money to spend for four years of camp. I guess it’s a right of passage.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 7, 2023 13:33:40 GMT -5
Just asking if it’s worth spending $200K plus all-in for four years at Xavier or VCU. Perhaps, if you work hard and aim for certain professions. It’s a lot of money to spend for four years of camp. I guess it’s a right of passage. Worth differentiating between in-state and out-of-state at VCU (as well as noting that a significant number of people do not pay sticker price). Category Virginia resident Non-Virginia resident Tuition and fees $16,233 $38,817 Room $7,849 $7,849 Dining $5,434 $5,434 Total $29,516 $52,100 |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 7, 2023 14:12:40 GMT -5
Just asking if it’s worth spending $200K plus all-in for four years at Xavier or VCU. Perhaps, if you work hard and aim for certain professions. It’s a lot of money to spend for four years of camp. I guess it’s a right of passage. Worth differentiating between in-state and out-of-state at VCU (as well as noting that a significant number of people do not pay sticker price). Category Virginia resident Non-Virginia resident Tuition and fees $16,233 $38,817 Room $7,849 $7,849 Dining $5,434 $5,434 Total $29,516 $52,100 Yes, in-state tuition makes all the difference. I’m currently paying out-of-state for two boys. ☹️ |
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 7, 2023 14:40:47 GMT -5
Why the VCU disrespect? Sometimes our elitism is a bit excessive - I plead guilty to this as well, not aimed at anyone in particular. My niece graduated from VCU 6 years ago (also attended on a soccer scholarship her first year which she gave up after the coach who recruited her departed). Also admitted to Amherst but no soccer scholarship and DIII program. She received a degree in Visual Arts and now works for a film production company in Atlanta. VCU has a nationally-ranked Fine Arts program. Also assume VCUarts is not part of the take all applicants. How competitive is VCUarts? Admission to VCUarts is very competitive. We receive many more applications than we can accept into the program. www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools/virginia-commonwealth-university-234030 |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 7, 2023 15:33:32 GMT -5
Why the VCU disrespect? Sometimes our elitism is a but excessive - I plead guilty to this as well, not aimed at anyone in particular. My niece graduated from VCU 6 years ago (also attended on a soccer scholarship her first year which she gave up after the coach who recruited her departed). Also admitted to Amherst but no soccer scholarship and DIII program. She received a degree in Visual Arts and now works for a film production company in Atlanta. VCU has a nationally-ranked Fine Arts program. Also assume VCUarts is not part of the take all applicants. How competitive is VCUarts? Admission to VCUarts is very competitive. We receive many more applications than we can accept into the program. www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools/virginia-commonwealth-university-234030Was she in-state or out-of-state? |
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 7, 2023 15:48:03 GMT -5
Why the VCU disrespect? Sometimes our elitism is a but excessive - I plead guilty to this as well, not aimed at anyone in particular. My niece graduated from VCU 6 years ago (also attended on a soccer scholarship her first year which she gave up after the coach who recruited her departed). Also admitted to Amherst but no soccer scholarship and DIII program. She received a degree in Visual Arts and now works for a film production company in Atlanta. VCU has a nationally-ranked Fine Arts program. Also assume VCUarts is not part of the take all applicants. How competitive is VCUarts? Admission to VCUarts is very competitive. We receive many more applications than we can accept into the program. www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools/virginia-commonwealth-university-234030Was she in-state or out-of-state? Out-of-state. When she quit the soccer team my brother paid the big tuition! |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 7, 2023 16:23:47 GMT -5
Was she in-state or out-of-state? Out-of-state. When she quit the soccer team my brother paid the big tuition! 🙃 I hope your brother was flexible/ready when he received the news. |
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Post by badgerhoya on Nov 8, 2023 12:15:59 GMT -5
Just asking if it’s worth spending $200K plus all-in for four years at Xavier or VCU. Perhaps, if you work hard and aim for certain professions. It’s a lot of money to spend for four years of camp. I guess it’s a right of passage. Worth differentiating between in-state and out-of-state at VCU (as well as noting that a significant number of people do not pay sticker price). Category Virginia resident Non-Virginia resident Tuition and fees $16,233 $38,817 Room $7,849 $7,849 Dining $5,434 $5,434 Total $29,516 $52,100 It’s also worth mentioning that at least in the VCU example, the missions are different, just like with any state school. Just because it’s not selective doesn’t mean it’s not serving its purpose. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 8, 2023 13:08:51 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with VCU's approach because it involves standards--guaranteed admission is available to a student in the top 10% of their class or a GPA of 3.5 or above, so the applicant is well within their sights academically. A student in the top 10% of their high school class is offered guaranteed admission to any publicly funded college in the state of Texas, so there's precedent here.
The Xavier approach is troubling, because there is no academic standard being reached here. Get admitted to St X and unless you flunk out or get expelled, Xavier will accept you, no questions asked. Imagine the hue and cry in educational circles if Harvard offered direct admission to all students at Exeter, regardless of performance?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 8, 2023 17:02:38 GMT -5
Florida provides a free ride to its schools under the Bright Futures program. Students need to have a minimum GPA, board scores and community service. The program is not income based. For Florida residents and covers both public and private colleges.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 9, 2023 12:09:26 GMT -5
NY Fed research found that the average liberal arts major earns $37,400 five years after graduation. How can you justify a private college education? Could be a lifetime of student debt without help from parents.
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Post by guru on Nov 9, 2023 12:12:06 GMT -5
NY Fed research found that the average liberal arts major earns $37,400 five years after graduation. How can you justify a private college education? Could be a lifetime of student debt without help from parents. The current college/higher education model is irretrievably broken - I keep waiting for parents to wise up and NOT shell out $350k for - for many if not the majority of students - will amount to 4 years of unsupervised playdates. It's astonishing. |
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Post by guru on Nov 9, 2023 12:14:48 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with VCU's approach because it involves standards--guaranteed admission is available to a student in the top 10% of their class or a GPA of 3.5 or above, so the applicant is well within their sights academically. A student in the top 10% of their high school class is offered guaranteed admission to any publicly funded college in the state of Texas, so there's precedent here. The Xavier approach is troubling, because there is no academic standard being reached here. Get admitted to St X and unless you flunk out or get expelled, Xavier will accept you, no questions asked. Imagine the hue and cry in educational circles if Harvard offered direct admission to all students at Exeter, regardless of performance? Wait, so a student in the top 10 percent of any high school in Texas gets guaranteed admission to UT-Austin? Or are they just guaranteed to at least have a state school to attend, not any state school? |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 9, 2023 13:01:02 GMT -5
NY Fed research found that the average liberal arts major earns $37,400 five years after graduation. How can you justify a private college education? Could be a lifetime of student debt without help from parents. Median salary for *all* majors in that study is $46,500 - a meaningful difference, but not an enormous one. The lowest average is theology and religion, which is a good example of how these things can be skewed - those taking vows of poverty will have an impact! www.cnbc.com/2023/02/25/worst-paying-college-majors.html |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 9, 2023 21:10:21 GMT -5
Wait, so a student in the top 10 percent of any high school in Texas gets guaranteed admission to UT-Austin? Or are they just guaranteed to at least have a state school to attend, not any state school? The law, which created admission by a top 10% high school student (public or private) to any state university, was signed by Gov. George W. Bush in 1997. Originally meant to promote diversity in higher education following the Supreme Court decision in Hopwood vs. Texas that ended affirmative action in state college admissions, it's also changed the ways schools recruit if large numbers of kids are coming without admissions review. Needless to say, this has been a hurdle to climb for schools like Georgetown to attract top students to go out of state but it's also a form of public policy that wants to keep kids in state and education is a factor in doing so. There was a time (and may still be) that if you lived in New Jersey, you went out of state for college, but staying close to home is very popular among high school grads in Texas, for cost as well as for utility. Staying in-state encourages young adults to settle down and get jobs and raise families in Austin and not in, say, San Francisco. As to admissions, the "top 10%" rule is now "top 6%" at UT, as the high school population has increased significantly since 1997 when the law was enacted (from 200,000 graduates a year statewide to over 350,000 today). Even with this change, 75 percent of all UT freshmen are now coming in under automatic admission. tea.texas.gov/about-tea/news-and-multimedia/correspondence/taa-letters/the-university-of-texas-at-austin-automatic-admission-policy-3 |
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